Tobias Fünke

The idea is, how do you compare yourself to another ranger? Is it by raid DPS?

How do you measure that accurately between rangers on different raids, with different group setups, fighting different mobs?

At least with this test, a ranger can say "well, I'm only getting X dps, while this ranger with similar gear is getting better numbers," and possibly get a better idea of which part of their game needs fixing.

When you raid with a shitty setup, how are you supposed to compare yourself to rangers who always get an Illy and a Bard? Or does not being in a group like that mean you 'suck'?

Eliminating as many variables as possible isn't a very hard concept. I'm surprised some of you can't get your head around it.

Dantel

Going for the baseline is exactly what I wanted, however you can't really get that. I mean, in order to get a true baseline you would have to take off all of your buffs and your gear and shoot the thing naked. Oh wait you have racial stats and the stats for the bow you're using.

Those variables will be different for each person you try to get to do this. Thus, they are unusable.

However, the one thing we know for a fact that everyone can be equal on are the caps. A group of people being max in every usable stat means they are all the same, thus making them useable numbers.

This is the only reason I suggested using a G R O U P at most, never a raid. This is also why I suggested people that didn't grant you procs like a Dirge, however they may be the only way to get towards the cap on DA.

Regardless, I don't get on here to make friends so I don't give a shit what people think about my language. I'm Irish, get over it.

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Tobias Fünke

Of course there are going to be variables you can't completely avoid.

Probably why the OP asked people to post the stats they have when doing this test, so it's easier to do a comparison...?

Also try to be a little pragmatic. Any ranger can do what the OP is asking in about 15 minutes. If you add throwing the perfect group together, it's not impossible, but definitely 50x the pain in the ass. It's hard enough for people in this game to get a group for lower seb, let alone get some people together to sit there and hold their dicks while you shoot at a fucking wall.

Dantel

But see you can't use those as a comparisson.

Let's say I have 20 DA 20 Haste and 20 DPS and post 2k DPS.

Someone else has 30 DA 30 Haste and 30 DPS and posts 1500 DPS.

Would you say that person sucks at playing their class and can't do proper dps? What if they were using a different bow? Does this really tell you anything about Ranger's as a whole? No just those 2 people.

What if the numbers were flipped and the 20 haste/dps/da guy did 1.5k dps and the 30 haste/dps/da guy did 2k? Would you attribute that to one being better than the other? One could argue one variable meaning more than the other, etc.

Test results are only worth their print when all of the variables are the same. While I realised that practically getting a group to do anything for you when they gain nothing is highly improbable, it's not impossible. I was forced to do my epic mostly solo because of this, (with the obvious group required exceptions), so I know what you're saying.

What I'm saying is that the test in itself is completely moot if you don't do it properly, and that involves a group buffing you to cap heh.

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Rhajiid

I absolutely agree with your intention, but I find it hard to agree with your solution.

You're right: there's a lot of variables in doing that test solo. But don't you increase them by doing the test in a group (what will be counterproductive)? Or can you get really all relevant variables (stats, haste, +dps, RC, RDA, ...) to their cap with a certain group setup?

If not, I think the only use for such a test is doing it solo and comparing my results to no one else apart from myself. Do I get better dps with my stats and my gear if I change my attack order? Do I improve by replacing item x with item y?

Hexus

Quit arguing and post some #'s or stfu already.

-Hexus-

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Rhajiid

Why should we? stfu yourself. Or post something useful instead.

Honestly, what's the point in posting numbers if anyone does it on a different basis?

Canul

I like this idea.

And considering how much complaining people do about the average ranger's playing abilities, I would think that the 'elders' of the community would be happy to see people actually learning something about the better application of their abilities.

C'mon. What's the alternative? You don't really care about average ranger DPS? So, please be constructive or leave them to their task.

Canul
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Dantel

The only way you could do this without having a group is to have multiple rangers with the exact same gear and buff set-up. Meaning m1 archery buff and the EXACT same gear, down to the adornments.

In this fashion you would most likely be at the soft cap, thus negating racial stats and allowing you to run off very similar stats. Similar enough to get good data from.

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Miller

Obviously there are going to be variables...
However, this at least shows how much people can do with given gear while in a solo setting. And tbh if you suck while your soloing you prolly suck while your raiding as well.
Thus I decided to do one:

719 str
346 int
DT ammo
Mythical bow
73% crit + 25% trak earring proc
28% DA + 5% boots proc
Haste mod 85
Dps mod 38 + cloak/buckler proc

Results: