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08-24-2008, 09:15 AM
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Character: Safanah
Guild: Exordium
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Re: Parses in Upper Echelon Zones
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Auto; Yeah I was noticing mine was lower than most, attributed it to only having 93 dps mod (that's with str ring procced) & less than 900 str. :\ We did have a brig, but yeah I don't think he has any set bonus's. I'm probably also losing a bit off the average due to having a lower crit therefore having many more auto's not crit and hit for shit numbers than a full geared ranger would. (5.5% of my Auto's hit under 4k)
You don't have much less crit than me for example - highend raidgear offers more DA and procs, not more crit at all - some legendary and few raid fabled rangers have crits in the 70s but low DA and/or less procs.
Intox; That's the end int line ability correct? (Not in game ATM) I'm actually not spec'd full int line. Because this toon was an alt I spec'd a bit differently than I think most main raiders do. I'm 4, 7 ,8, 8, 1 (as opposed 2 just 4, 7, 4, 8, 1) Agi as well as going down wis 2 get the cast/recast bonus & dmg bonus on stealth skills instead of down Str for melee crit. (Hence my tiny crit %'s on melee skills) At the time I made this spec I wasn't ever raiding on him, and the quicker ability to stealth was nice for soloing since i wasn't usually behind the mob. I should probably grab a respec mirror if I'm going to start seriously work on his DPS so I can get a more raid omtimized spec?
Agi full, Int full, Str up to melee crit for DPS, forget the shit Wisline, you get more DPS from using longstab (and the chance to crit on that) than on 8% more dmg on the next stealth CA. And if you really need to cast spy as often as its up for deaggro something is seriously wrong, just to mention that.
Sniper; I guess I was under the impression that using Sniper was bad because the casting time delayed auto too much. Is that not the case?
No, Sniper is less than 3.5sec casting with troub in grp (and even less with monk in raid) and let it only do 20k which is a poor hit, thats 5k+ ext dps not including procs, and you easily can do 30-35k hits with it (think you'll find the thread where we talked about the proper use with coverage)
Proc; TBH I really didn't know the buffs. I think they said in group they thought the conjy 1 only proc'd on melee while the wizzy 1 was off ranged as well, and i don't know them enough to know if thats true or not. As this is just an alt raid with a very fluid roster it's unlikely I'll have a group static enough to really plan for any of these buffs however. :\
It's exactly the other way round, sorc procs only proc off melee, but conj proc procs off ranged too. As i said, the sorc procs dont stack so if you get wizz and lock proc only one goes off, not sure if you can control which one, so get the lock one, it does more DPS. But if you can get conj, take that, but im not sure, if the sorc one also goes off then.
One thing I'm not completely sure on, with Focus Aim being an effective 75s recast vs 60s timings on ranged CA's, should I be holding the ranged CA's for focus or fire them off immediatly? I'd been going on the plan of hold if they'd up within 5 seconds, if it's more than about 5 fire away, but not sure if that is correct? (Also I realize for rangers with much higher crit this becomes moot, but with my crit even in raid being only ~75 the crit bonus from Focus is nice on my larger CA's)
Personally sometimes i see myself firing all ranged CAs and then focus aim refreshes and im like, uhm, shit. But yeah, thats not a too big issue, since only few CAs are on longer reuse and its kind of casting order.
I know I also lost a little bit of DPS overall because I was giving an extra second or 2 on the pull before engaging auto since the tank was also just an alt (my duration was a full ~40 seconds shorter than the assassin who was #2 on the ZW behind me)
Just dont start with autoattack. On SoH trash you wont notice that much, but it wont hit so much anyway. Rather start hawk (did i mention to use that yet?), start heroic opportunity, do debuffs, set mortal reminder... then do first autoattack... There you have your 2 secs.
Also I'm completely unsure on coverage and my ability to make it even work is so poor (maybe 30% success) that I tend to just skip it all together. Is it actually worthwhile for me 2 attempt 2 fiigure out how 2 work it in, or just pretend it's not there? (I think this is kinda like sniper in that everyones oppinion is different, no?)
What i said above, i think i mentioned the imo perfect usage of coverage somewhere.
I've actually known Chapp for a long time. :P I bugged him quite a few times with probably stupid questions when I was 1st starting to really learn how 2 play a ranger. ;)
I probably shouldn't worry about it so much since it's just and alt on an alt raid, but every few fights a friend was beating me on his assassin, and I just can't have that.
1 more thing: Any ideas on a decent ring obtainable from outside of raids that I could get 2 swap for my AGI imbued when I'm in raid with Illy and don't need the haste?
\aITEM -803959012 -1232587677:Polished Jade Band\/a - Faction Merchant Terens Grasp
Ok, 2 more things: I'm using Croaking Dirk and Maestro's now, but want 2 look for a 75+ weapon to replace Maestro's so i can use a temp DPS adorn on it since my DPS mod is so low. Should I do that, or am I undervaluing the Maestro's proc? Thinking either the weapon with 2 rangerd crit that drops of the named outside Venril's door, or the 1 with 7 DPS mod out of SoH (Nox noctis?). Good/Bad idea, and any others good ones I've missed that would attainable I should consider?
Personally i fucking love Maestros Flame, its only drawback is the level, and that you only can use the 15mins 10dps oilstones on it. But the proc is more than worth it. For more informations on weapon choices look into the thread where we discussed that.
Ok, done now. :P
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08-24-2008, 11:23 AM
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Re: Parses in Upper Echelon Zones
First off, SacD FTMFW all day everyday! help meh sac, someone is throwing rocks at meh.
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Originally Posted by Safana
For an alt that DPS is not too bad (only 700 less than Chapp, lol  )
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Dam woman, will you ever quit? lol.
Yes, my SoH parse is hella low. Take a deep breath, push back from your computer, take a walk, maybe make you a glass of iced tea, shake it off.
Now, try to understand how we do SoH (not saying its the way everyone should do it, but its the way WE do it). We start by pulling like 5 mobs at a time. Then when one or two are dead, someone runs and grabs more. Its like that for the whole zone... chain pulling with 3-5 mobs and moving constantly. Its a warlock/swashy dream. We typically kill EVERY trash mob in the zone in 30-35mins.
Now, in the swashy parse thread safana, YOUR swashy complains that your guild never pull multiple mobs in SOH... maybe one at a time or something like that. http://www.eq2flames.com/swashbuckle...thread-12.html I'm not saying your guild is doing it wrong, but I am saying that if my guild did it that way, my zw trash would prolly be 3-4k higher. I would love to have all my shit refreshed and ready to go after each pull... not have positional issues (comes with pulling 5 mobs sometimes), not have the MT constantly moving the mobs out of the "sweet" spot, and best of all, I would love downtime between pulls so I can make my frigs runs for beer (as it stands now, i have to let my dps suffer for beer runs), etc... enough enough already.
The way we do SOH is not very good for ranger parses, but very efficient way of getting the raid through the zone quickly. I wish I could show our swashy's numbers... its ridiculous.
Hell, if I can parse 6.5k on Byzola, surely you gotta believe there has to some reason(s) beyond my control that caused me to only parse 500dps more on freaking trash mobs.
Safana, as far as I can tell, you play at the top of your class and prolly more knowledgeable regarding combat mechanics than anyone (well, maybe not more than Ayelza (sp), but w/e). Hehe, there is room at the top for others... you don't have to put peeps down to make yourself look better... we all know you are good, so stop trying to prove it.
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08-24-2008, 11:34 AM
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Re: Parses in Upper Echelon Zones
thats how we pull it too. it is a swasy/warlock dream.
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08-24-2008, 12:01 PM
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Re: Parses in Upper Echelon Zones
Thanks for the laugh Chap, don't try to defend you. This is eq2flames not the official board, if you're a pussy, go there 
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08-24-2008, 12:34 PM
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Re: Parses in Upper Echelon Zones
For a second, I wondered why you jumped out of the woodwork and attacked me... I was bored one afternoon and post one not so cherry-picked SoH parse where I was second on the zw trash, and that was all you needed to say I suck.
What are you afraid of? Overall, do my numbers look better than yours? Is that why you hate me? If yes, its ok. I knew it.
See safana, your opinion doesn't really matter to me... I'll write you off as just another hater that is bored and want to get in a flaming contest. No thanks, instead of sitting here and spending energy trying to come up with clever ways to say you suck, I'd rather go out, have a few drinks with some friends, and figure out which piece of pussy I'm going to fuck next.
Now I see why Azleya, Silmeria, and folks like that don't post in this thread...
Oh, I know what forum I'm in... I like it here.... so warm.
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08-24-2008, 01:21 PM
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Re: Parses in Upper Echelon Zones
You are the person, who takes stuff way too serious if you try to defend yourself for some parse writing lotsa excuses... btw, i like people trying to explain, that they dont care and shit, but write on and on... if you dont care, just ignore it.
For Silmeria, he knows his DPS sucks, Gaige is telling him every night  /wave Silm
Azleya would prolly pwn everyone here, according to his godly groupsetup so he dont have to hide imo.
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08-24-2008, 03:31 PM
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Re: Parses in Upper Echelon Zones
Woah woah woah don't bring me into this. I'm still waiting for my double bard + illy + templar + mystic group so I can post some parses and actually beat Spydie!
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08-24-2008, 06:54 PM
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Re: Parses in Upper Echelon Zones
zomg, wtb that too -.- got illy, myst, inq, lock, brig today... ditch the brig for some dirge and it would have been quite ok ^^
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08-28-2008, 03:03 PM
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Re: Parses in Upper Echelon Zones
Avatar of Flame - first time we changed strat and had all 4 groups on avatar instead of 1-2 only add fighting. I should have worn Shadow BP and Choker. -.- But for comparison purpose, here you go
Group: Ill, Troub, Warden, Myst, Brig

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09-01-2008, 10:32 AM
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Re: Parses in Upper Echelon Zones
Highest zw parse that i've seen over all in this thread, and ever for myself personally: (korsha last night)
but, i have to tell the truth, I had illu, troub, AND a dirge :P so i was in my melee range gear and almost 100% rda, but i think it still counts since some people get mystics and crap right? :P
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