speedycerv

I've been messing with my cast order lately to maximize and prioritize.

Heres what ive been using the last week or so. AA, bloody, longstab, kunark, focus aim, AA, blame, shower, searing, AA, triple, vulnerable, AA, longstab(or amazing arrow if not up yet) and stealth fire, AA, (at this point fa should be down) sinister strike(if u can use it on the mob) arrow tear, immob, AA(or roped then AA if sinister isn't available), roped, jolting, then aa abilities like PB shot and bladed opening/ pois comb, and cycle through things that are up in that priority.

Make sure to use longstab+every stealth art cept fittest survival(unless more than 1 mob in aoe range) and LS+kunark and LS+stealth whenever u can and then LS+ comb strike if none of those are up. I greatly avoid using spy as it generates no dps to get you into stealth and will usually lower the dps for your stealth attack than you could be getting with another melee ca. I'm very open to suggestions, and i'm looking around and adjusting things for this.

Jirya

though it only is problematic maybe 1/5 times at the most, using longstab while focus aim is going has a somewhat good chance of missing, it decreases our slashing/piercing by 192. When I get into my melee arts i usually can get 4 in, with poise the casting is .37 and the recovery like with everything is like .5, so its very possible. Your rotation looks solid but it also looks like you use a ranged art before AAs, which leads me to believe you dont just toggle AA back on. I myself have ranged auto attack as space bar, i know someone who was it as one of the extra mouse buttons. Its good to get into a habbit of toggling it back on just about every melee art just incase.

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speedycerv

Everytime I said AA means to toggle it on, or to wait for it to hit. And yea I have it macroed to a mouse button.

Safana

Weaponskills dont affect CAs.

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Azleya

I've given you mine, recruit scrub. Biggest problem I see with what you have posted is you're doing 4 CA's in between 1'st and 2'nd auto bow. Forget about the backstab combo before initial Focus Aim cycle. Also, I wouldn't take all that time during Focus Aim to cast the stealth shot. Longstab can miss with Focus Aim up and if you set it up with surveil instead that's even more time taken. If you run out of non-stealth bow shots before Focus Aim is done I would seriously just end it early (makes it come back up sooner) and hit a couple melee CA's (like backstab combo) until next auto bow is due and then do stealth shot after that auto bow.

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Cexi

It does, the chance to hit.

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Azleya

Melee skills do affect melee CA hit chance.

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DonoDog

What is the delay on you bow? Self buffed ungrouped my delay is 5 Seconds and I am usually somewere less that 4 sec on the delay, I think I have had it to 2.5 in the right raid group.And I only use Ranged Autoattack
My normal casting order is:
Intoxication,
Vunerability
Attack Hawk
Lucky Break
Focus Aim
AutoAttack
Blame Arrow
Triple Burst
Vunerable Arrow
AutoAttack
Amazing Arrow
Rear Shot
Autoattack
Roped Shot
Rope
Searing Shot
Lucky Break
Autoattack
Bloody Reminder
Poison Combination
Jolting Strike
Autoattack
Arrow Tear
Immobilizing Lunge
Autoattack
Bladed Opening
Point Blank Shot
Bayel's Strike
Autoattack
Lucky Break
Longstab
Kunark Blade
Autoattack
Spy
Stealth Fire
Autoattack
Rinse repeat with a little waiting, works for about three rounds till the sync really gets tough and I have to start popping ca's as they become available.
I group icons by melee then ranged then recast and finally by cast time.
After the first run there are some delays on ca's being ready but what can you do. What I try to do is never interrupt my AutoAttack
as the only CA I have that will surely beat autoattack is sniper. Kunark, Stealth Arrow, Shower of Arrows make it if they hit at the top of thier range.

speedycerv

Yea I know you gave me ur cast order. I was curious what other people do. But yea, I did 300 dps zw higher on vp last night because I did the following:
Didn't cast melee cas, even longstab, during FA.
Not using coverage anymore.
Not using spy during FA.
Never casting 4 cas in a row.
Auto attacking as soon as i see debuffs appearing on the mob, so i know it should be relatively "safe".
I was avoiding using spy because i didn't like that it doesn't do any damage to put me into stealth, but i do use it now instead of using crappier melee cas and waiting for longblade to be up.
I time all my long recast ranged cas(the 1 min ones) so that they will all be up for every focus aim, instead of hitting them all as soon as they come up.
I end FA if I run out of ranged cas early, and cast the melee cas i have left before i know AA will be due.

Also: I now start my cast order like this:
(if the mob is fairly far away from me and the tank still but i know its ok to cast debuffs and stuff at this point) Cast attack hawk, then AA. If it is close and i know its safe I'll just AA.
After that, HO combo to bloody reminder, then FA, then AA... and goes from there.

Azleya

If people are wondering what this means, I was talking to him last night about why it makes sense to use Spy, among other things. Often I see people talking about only ever using Longstab to set up stealth CA's, but the reason to use Spy is as follows. If you don't use it, sure you get to use some damage CA in its place, but that damage CA isn't what replaces Spy in the end. What really replaces it is some CA down the line that you would not have cast otherwise, something from the bottom of the barrel like a CA given by AA's. On the other hand, however, you give up a stealth CA down the line (a Combustion Strike) and delay starting the recast of others because you are basically going to use Longstab when it's up in most cases anyway, but now you are restricted to just that 1 CA to set up stealth shit. Thus, by not using Spy you lose and delay stealth CA's and gain shitty CA's on net. Therefore, use Spy.

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