Slipperyx - Tool of the year? - Page 18

Skaer · 09-05-2007, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by pagansaint

Wow you'd think someone with real raid experiance would understand how stake's work.

Stakes deal damage. A stake does not negate damage, it does not lower DPS, it increases DPS.

A stake decreases the time it takes to kill something by dealing a massive amount of damage.

If you want something that decreases the time it takes to kill something and doesn't add damage or DPS to a parse look up Verdict.

I obviously know how stakes work. So does he, even if he cannot articulate that knowledge as well as I can.

And trying to flame me for being a rent-a-raider? Thats awesome, I am good enough to play for a top guild without having the play time to be a member and you're bouncing around second rate guilds.

You're directly involved now? Wow you kept saying you were not involved, that you had only spoken to some of those people.

So which is it?

Are you involved with this in reality or did you only speak to them?

I spoke and got linked parses from slip, so if you only spoke like you claimed earlier, I'm just as "involved" as you are.

I was in the guild, I posted pictures of involvements and claims that were made against Slippery, and I was the recruiter who went against the raid lead on the swipe decision. I am immediatly involved in the incident.

As far as the stakes, since that obviously wasn't enough explanation...

Mob has 300k HP left.
Stake hits for 150k HP in one second. This damage is coming from one member.
This leaves a pool of 150k HP for the rest of the raid to damage, decreasing the amount of damage they are CAPABLE of doing.

Therefor the huge hit from the stake actually DECREASES the DPS that other members would be able to do, because of the massive loss of HP left to deal damage to.

pagansaint · 09-05-2007, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Skaer

Mob has 300k HP left.
Stake hits for 150k HP in one second. This damage is coming from one member.
This leaves a pool of 150k HP for the rest of the raid to damage, decreasing the amount of damage they are CAPABLE of doing.

Therefor the huge hit from the stake actually DECREASES the DPS that other members would be able to do, because of the massive loss of HP left to deal damage to.

False.

Therefor their total damage cannot be as high, but their DPS itself can stay the same unless they stop... DPSing.

Skaer · 09-05-2007, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by pagansaint

False.

Therefor their total damage cannot be as high, but their DPS itself can stay the same unless they stop... DPSing.

No, it's true.

As Legacy loads up temps for the burn, they're not able to get full use out of their temp buffs or dots or anything else that would increase, because of the sharp decrease of time available to DPS.

Take focus aim, for instance. 15 second buff. If you can only get two ranged auto attacks and 5 CAs, as opposed to four ranged auto attacks and 10 CAs, you're not doing as much DPS as you're capable.

Most temp buffs, if not exploited to their full potential, do not provide as much as they should when they're fully used.

Gesari · 09-05-2007, 11:32 PM

I'm still not sure how you're trying to justify the fact that the use of stakes on the 3 vampire nameds wouldn't give a distinct advantage over a guild that didn't when comparing zw dps. I mean, really, think about what you're arguing for man.

pagansaint · 09-05-2007, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Skaer

As Legacy loads up temps for the burn, they're not able to get full use out of their temp buffs or dots or anything else that would increase, because of the sharp decrease of time available to DPS.

Take focus aim, for instance. 15 second buff. If you can only get two ranged auto attacks and 5 CAs, as opposed to four ranged auto attacks and 10 CAs, you're not doing as much DPS as you're capable.

Most temp buffs, if not exploited to their full potential, do not provide as much as they should when they're fully used.

That is more of a problem with skill use than what the stake itself actually does.

Poor planning and timing FTL.

But we've digressed rather horribly from the main point.

Henladar Bloodheart · 09-05-2007, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Zira

Then why do they both have 69000000 dmg if one includes Mayong and one doesnt? hmm?

It could be the difference of.. say.. one of those x2 bitches getting adds and them having to kill them.

Or maybe they kill that solo TA by the ent... while we just avoid it.

There are many possibilities... get a clue.

Henladar Bloodheart · 09-06-2007, 12:03 AM

Wow.. stakes dont add overall DPS?

Ok lets say mob has 1mil HP...

its at 7%... you've been fighting for 93 seconds. which basically gives you a DPS rate of 10000. Now if you kept on fighting that mob no stakes... you'll end up at 10,000 raid wide DPS.

If 2 people use stakes... it dies instantly... meaning 1 mil / 93 seconds = 10752.688172

Wow 2 stakes added 7.5% DPS...

Lets do some more math.

3 million HP... 7% left... 93 seconds in. We're looking at about 30k DPS.

Finish at that rate... 30k... 2 stakes to finish him off...

3 mil / 93 seconds = 32258.0645

Sure... that is not a significant increase....

Henladar Bloodheart · 09-06-2007, 12:12 AM

More math.... lets say you use 6 stakes. about 150,000 dmg avg each.

900,000 instant dmg.... at a rate of 30k DPS..that adds 30 seconds on to your parse.

Allies: (39:03) 68437416 | 29209.31 [Venssi-Stake Through the Heart-171700]

That is the original.

What it would read if no stakes were used seeing you used 6.
Allies: (39:33) 68437416 l 28840.04

Add in say... a 5 minute mayong fight... 4.2 mil HP

Allies: (44:33) 72637416 l 27174.49

TheEasternking · 09-06-2007, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Henladar Bloodheart

More math.... lets say you use 6 stakes. about 150,000 dmg avg each.

900,000 instant dmg.... at a rate of 30k DPS..that adds 30 seconds on to your parse.

Allies: (39:03) 68437416 | 29209.31 [Venssi-Stake Through the Heart-171700]

That is the original.

What it would read if no stakes were used seeing you used 6.
Allies: (39:33) 68437416 l 28840.04

Add in say... a 5 minute mayong fight... 4.2 mil HP

Allies: (44:33) 72637416 l 27174.49

6 stakes ? wtf
1 stake is used on grond floor orange vamp ...1 stake is used on upper floor orange vamp ...thats 2 stakes total in MMIS ..this thread is full of fucking BS miss information
yes we could not kill mayong 1 weekend ...they had 21 people in raid ..3 people were boxing ...5 were tanks in raid ..it was a far far cry from an optimal raid set up ..due to roster issues and people having time off

but im sure if your guild lost half its members and was still trying to raid youd be first pulling mobs in all zones ....grow the fuck up and get the fuck over yourselves

pagansaint · 09-06-2007, 12:46 AM

You lost half your roster, and are/were weak on DPS and you tried to get someone that parses more than well enough to change his AA spec to a less DPS over all spec?

I'm sure you can explain how you are not retarded for doing that.