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Shaemus · 12-12-2006, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rinion

So, for Re-fund 'Exploit'
is this going to harm another player in anyway? No

I never once said exploit. Just because something is 'not' an exploit, does not mean that it is morally correct in the context of that person's beliefs.

The point is, I find it laughable that someone would not use as-designed game mechanics based on the fact that it either did not make role-play sense or that they themselves considered it as "not intended", but would use knowledge of upcoming changes in items to cash in. I guess the extent to which one sticks to one's own "opinions" is inversely proportional to the amount of profit potentially gained.

Classic example of saying one thing, when actions affirm the contrary.

Rinion · 12-12-2006, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaemus

I never once said exploit. Just because something is 'not' an exploit, does not mean that it is morally correct in the context of that person's beliefs.

The point is, I find it laughable that someone would not use as-designed game mechanics based on the fact that it either did not make role-play sense or that they themselves considered it as "not intended", but would use knowledge of upcoming changes in items to cash in. I guess the extent to which one sticks to one's own "opinions" is inversely proportional to the amount of profit potentially gained.

Classic example of saying one thing, when actions affirm the contrary.

that I have to kind of agree with. then again there is a difference between morals and principal and roleplaying is just that, roleplaying.

a better example would be that his guild ( I don't know if he did personally) condemned Zerging and called that an exploit and condemned it. but then this comes along and is condoned. lets apply my questions to zerging cheldrak eh?

is this going to harm another player in anyway? No, it is an instanced zone (instancing ftl)

is this against the rules? No

is this insider information giving me an un-fair advantage? no, everyone had this opportunity

so ba da bing. holding to our standards on right and wrong Zerging was no an exploit either.

The Reason it was really condemned? because Kalidon is a punk and tried to brag about it like it was a real strat because they beat disso to the kill. and brandish around his 'you have to respect me attitude because apparently people in the grocery store know who Kal Jowns is.

Shaemus · 12-12-2006, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by LFG

If you want to see how seriously I take exploits, just look at my inventory screen:

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As you can see, my weight is only 50/1520, and I don't carry bank boxes. That's because I personally consider using bank boxes to be an exploit. Either based on poor design or for whatever reason, it makes no sense for a player to be able to carry 600 pounds of containers without that negatively affecting him in any way.

Now, bank boxes are an extreme example. I'm not saying that OTHER people who carry bank boxes are exploitng. I'm just saying that I can't and won't do it, because it feels like exploiting to me.

So, having read that, would you not say that knowingly loading up all your alts, equipment, etc. with adornments with prior knowledge that a substantial amount of monetary gain would be realised the following day, is in conflict with such high moral principles?

Come on.

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Originally Posted by Rinion

then again there is a difference between morals and principal and roleplaying is just that, roleplaying.

Hmm. Give me a single, believable, "role-playing" reason that justifies using knowledge of upcoming game balancing to make massive in-game profit?

Rinion · 12-12-2006, 03:31 PM

you took the statement out of context. Roleplaying IS just roleplaying. It was a statement not an explanation for his actions.

I did not know he said he considered it an exploit. I did not mean he does it for roleplaying purposes, and I apologize that my meaning was not clearer

but then his statement is poor wording on his part. Again the word exploit was brandished around and taken out of context.

is it an exploit? yes, it fully exploits the game mechanics to enable people to carry 600stones easily.

does it give him or anyone else an unfair advantage in the game? no

is it insider information? no

so is this specified exploit a cheat? No

Again people including LFG Brandish the word exploit around way to much. something being an exploit is not the same as someone exploiting to cheat.

Shaemus · 12-12-2006, 03:52 PM

You're getting way too hung up on "exploit". Again, I never said it was an exploit.

Let me phrase it differently. If someone *did* consider carrying excessive weight to be an exploit, how could they possibly justify that massive monetary gain based on the background mechanics of the game and game balancing is trivial enough for it *not* to be an exploit.

And for the love of God, find a thesaurus and get some substitutes for "brandish".

Rinion · 12-12-2006, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaemus

You're getting way too hung up on "exploit". Again, I never said it was an exploit.

sir maybe you did not say it was an exploit but the majority of people that accuse others of foul play do.

it is worth getting 'hung up' on because it is at the heart of the mater. If LFG didn't use it with such carelessness no one here would have an excuse for calling him a hypocrite now would they?

and what don't like brandish? would you prefure wave around? use? wield? Exploit?

Usildor · 12-12-2006, 05:22 PM

If you take out LFG's previous comments about bags we have no discussion here, so you might as well drop it. He has a right to choose what he thinks is moral and immoral. They are not the same thing. Is doing what he did ethically questionable? Probably. But then again, Sony made the announcement ahead of time knowing full well people would hurry up and equip their adornments to get money back for them.

Oh well, time to move on. This was an intentional move by SoE, LFG (and others) cashed in. He's not the pope, he thinks some things are exploits that are pretty stupid and others not. It's called situational ethics. We all have them, admit to it or not.

Shaemus · 12-12-2006, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Usildor

Is doing what he did ethically questionable? Probably.

BINGO!

Usildor · 12-12-2006, 05:39 PM

I'm sure you've never done anything questionable. Yup, I'm sure. Still looking for your point.

Morara · 12-12-2006, 05:46 PM

It's no worse than the people that bought up all the acrylia on live servers right as test pushed them as mage rares. Since the test servers are public, it's not like they used beta knowledge to cash in, and there was always the risk that change would never actually make it to live. They're gambles based on knowledge all the players had access to, and they both paid off.