LFG

Yes, and the problem is, when you deny all visitor access on your house, you've made yourself immune to ever getting caught tradeskill botting in EQ2. Very sad indeed, and even sadder that Dehah would present that as a lack of proof conveniently allowing him to not live up to his moral code.

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Dehah

I agree, eyewitness reports can be used as evidence.

Here is the evidence I have so far:

Ixnay says he saw the person dead a few times at crafting stations.
Illuminator said he saw the person paste some funny numbers into guild chat.
A thread Ixnay pointed to where someone else saw Emma dead at a crafting station (may or may not be same incident? Not sure).

Where is the dozens to hundreds of people's eye witness evidence? What are they going to report, that they saw Emma dead at a crafting station? Since when is being dead at a crafting station undeniable proof that someone is a bot. I have no problem with a person taking their wireless keyboard, and repeatedly pressing a few buttons while they watch TV or read a book. I personally wouldn't do it because of accusations like these that result.

You're so called evidence, is no better than several people claiming someone is a witch because they all saw her with a black cat. Yes, it is true, we have many eye witness reports showing evidence that she has a black cat. Unfortunately, a black cat does not mean the person is a witch.

Bot hunting is a waste of time, because they are only witch hunts. It is impossible as a normal player to get any real evidence that could prove someone guilty of the act. I have caught people AFK crafting before, sometimes, they respond 5 minutes later and say "sorry I wasn't paying attention to by screen", and sometimes they come back a few hours later. When I press them for why they took so long to respond, you would be surprised at how often they admit they were botting. If they were to deny it--this hasn't happened yet--I would advise them to pay more attention to their screen so as to avoid similar accusations in the future.

The only time you can really persecute a witch, is when the witch admits to being a witch.

Dehah

Geez, this thread is hot. So many replies in the 20 min it took me to type the above post.

LFG

Yes, so you agree it is impossible to prove Emma has done these things according to the definition of proof you require. The level of proof you demand could never exist unless she admitted botting to you personally, or you personally witnessed it with your own eyes, which I've proven is not possible and can never happen.

So you have established an impossible evidentiary standard that can never be met. And thus you will conveniently not have to take any action in this case. Yet you are quite comfortable calling other people hypocrits? Where is your consistency Sir?

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LFG

Sure am glad I type 120 wpm, I don't have that problem =p

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Dehah

Actually, you did.

http://www.eq2flames.com/showthread....rket#post45288

LFG

Ah, but you conveniently mischaracterized what I said then. Because I didn't say what you said that I said!

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Dehah

Interpreting

"When he moved in on my market by leveling a weaponsmith, I saw that as the same thing as someone sticking their hand in my pocket or demanding protection money."

as

"invading your market"

is conveniently mischaracterizing what you said?

LFG

Yes, and especially since you left out the entire sentence before that one, which adds the context your mischaracterization lacks.

Please don't put your words in my mouth, especially out of context to make a point that you are trying to argue.

Thank you

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Sqee

this pissing match between you two is getting old.

can we all see Kiana and Kiara's boobies please?