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Old 01-09-2007, 01:42 PM  
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The min/maxers are a minority. Sorry to say it. They are a small portion of a big picture. Their concerns are JUST as important as anyone elses but thats it...JUST as important, not more.
I would like to focus on this for a moment. Now this may sound elitest and eh don't care if it does honestly but min/maxers are a minority for a reason. The reason they are a minority is because knowing how to play your character actually takes a little bit of thought and effort which the average MMO player has no concept of. Being good at a game doesn't net you any great rewards in life but why do anything half assed? Your happy EQ2 is now WoW, guess what not everyone is. Also this has nothing to do with LU 13, oddly enough your the first person to mention it. Looking at the big picture is what min maxers do best and hence the minority.

Let me give ya an example. I live in Houston, 5th largest city in america. Lets assume you don't live here for whatever reason. I can say "omg i fucking hate the way people drive in houston they act like downright retards" and you can come back with "I visited houston once I know all about it I don't live there and was only there a fucking day but i was exposed to every person there and know they are all quite intelligent and are experts behind the wheel." Obviously you would be a moron for even suggesting such a thing. Its similar here. Min Maxers don't want the game dumbed down just cause SOE wants more subscribers. I like EQ2 being the harder of the 2 cause i actually enjoy a CHALLENGE! Playing a game with no challenge is like playing Neopets or some shit.

If you reread my post there is nothing there bashing anyone except the devs. I merely want them to tap into a rescource that they fail to understand. Whats wrong with a dev actually getting in game with a game generated char to talk to people across the servers in prominent raid guilds about what they feel would be better done in a certain zone or what their major concerns are in diffrent encounters. And no i don't mean just 1 guild I mean talk to ALL of them. Have diffrent classes be tapped to answer questions to devs that design that class.

Sooner or later your gonna realize that in EQ2 is turning into WoW according to the style of play it offers. Every outdoor zone is full of crappy solo mobs. Every instance is for a group and all lvl 60's do is raid and crap. There is no content in that game till you get 60. Is that what you want here? Do you want the game to be dilluded down so you can solo in every zone? If thats the attitude you take then please play WoW and tell me how boring it is. The game is a joke, its easy mode for the gamer challenged. The raids are interesting but like I said the game doesn't begin till lvl 60. In EQ2 the game is every level. Least it used to be. I am pissed at SOE for not trying to improve the game over all. How many of ya still lag in castle mistmoore when your the ONLY 1 there? Its ridiculous to think that min maxers are the reason for any problems in this game. SOE is the culprit of all changes and lets face it they aren't exactly the most original thinkers!

Sometimes you have to look over all of the history of the game and not just the present to see the changes. I know I see em and its a damn disgrace
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Old 01-09-2007, 01:45 PM  
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Uhh. Are you talking about things that have already been altered and/or fixed?

Of the devs I have known and spoke with, none seem retarded to me. I think that they sometimes have ideas that don't pan out like they hope, but hey, we all do.
Saying a dev isn't retarded when you know nothing of raiding is like saying an auto mechanic isn't retarded when you don't know jack shit about cars. How the hell would you know?!
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Old 01-09-2007, 01:54 PM  
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Oh I see. So if you aren't a min/maxer you don't know how to play your class and have no skill?
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Old 01-09-2007, 01:58 PM  
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Oh I see. So if you aren't a min/maxer you don't know how to play your class and have no skill?
Yeah, that's how I read that too. I disagree. But no one will convince a Hardcore Min/Maxer otherwise.
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Old 01-09-2007, 02:05 PM  
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Yeah, that's how I read that too. I disagree. But no one will convince a Hardcore Min/Maxer otherwise.
Just making sure I read it correctly. Guess I should quit playing since I have no skill and don't know how to play my character...
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Old 01-09-2007, 02:17 PM  
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I would like to focus on this for a moment. Now this may sound elitest and eh don't care if it does honestly but min/maxers are a minority for a reason. The reason they are a minority is because knowing how to play your character actually takes a little bit of thought and effort which the average MMO player has no concept of. Being good at a game doesn't net you any great rewards in life but why do anything half assed? Your happy EQ2 is now WoW, guess what not everyone is. Also this has nothing to do with LU 13, oddly enough your the first person to mention it. Looking at the big picture is what min maxers do best and hence the minority.

Let me give ya an example. I live in Houston, 5th largest city in america. Lets assume you don't live here for whatever reason. I can say "omg i fucking hate the way people drive in houston they act like downright retards" and you can come back with "I visited houston once I know all about it I don't live there and was only there a fucking day but i was exposed to every person there and know they are all quite intelligent and are experts behind the wheel." Obviously you would be a moron for even suggesting such a thing. Its similar here. Min Maxers don't want the game dumbed down just cause SOE wants more subscribers. I like EQ2 being the harder of the 2 cause i actually enjoy a CHALLENGE! Playing a game with no challenge is like playing Neopets or some shit.

If you reread my post there is nothing there bashing anyone except the devs. I merely want them to tap into a rescource that they fail to understand. Whats wrong with a dev actually getting in game with a game generated char to talk to people across the servers in prominent raid guilds about what they feel would be better done in a certain zone or what their major concerns are in diffrent encounters. And no i don't mean just 1 guild I mean talk to ALL of them. Have diffrent classes be tapped to answer questions to devs that design that class.

Sooner or later your gonna realize that in EQ2 is turning into WoW according to the style of play it offers. Every outdoor zone is full of crappy solo mobs. Every instance is for a group and all lvl 60's do is raid and crap. There is no content in that game till you get 60. Is that what you want here? Do you want the game to be dilluded down so you can solo in every zone? If thats the attitude you take then please play WoW and tell me how boring it is. The game is a joke, its easy mode for the gamer challenged. The raids are interesting but like I said the game doesn't begin till lvl 60. In EQ2 the game is every level. Least it used to be. I am pissed at SOE for not trying to improve the game over all. How many of ya still lag in castle mistmoore when your the ONLY 1 there? Its ridiculous to think that min maxers are the reason for any problems in this game. SOE is the culprit of all changes and lets face it they aren't exactly the most original thinkers!

Sometimes you have to look over all of the history of the game and not just the present to see the changes. I know I see em and its a damn disgrace
Yup every single anti-raider comment I've ever made have been percisely from this type of attitude.

I'm not a min maxer. I work on improving my gear and trying different things out. I guaranfuckingtee you I know how to play my Templar inside and out. I can probably recite to you the order of 3 out of 4 of my hotbars I've had them so long. The sheer arrogance of your statement amuses me to no end.

My problem with your post is you don't know any developers. I can tell. If you did, you wouldn't have made your statements. If you had actually sat down and talked with these people, you would know some of them are the most passionate dedicated people you'll ever meet. Can you even tell me which developers work on classes?

EQ2 is doing what it takes to be competitive. I dont' know if you noticed? But Blizzard is pulling in a crapton of money because they've put solo content in their game. The ACTUAL research they did shows that people aren't all that interested in a lot of group combat until the end game. Even then, people want solo content.

You are a former EQ1 player aren't you? I can smell it on you. Like I said not a SINGLE complaint from ANYONE who has come back to the game. Hell even LFG is happy for the time being.

Times have changed since the old days. You are living a dinosaurs dream.

Your elitist attitude though? Not going to get you anything from SOE.
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Old 01-09-2007, 02:22 PM  
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Yeah, that's how I read that too. I disagree. But no one will convince a Hardcore Min/Maxer otherwise.
We all know you're a raider hater anyways right?
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Old 01-09-2007, 02:25 PM  
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Haha No, I'm an elitist hater. It's almost usually completely different.
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Old 01-09-2007, 02:30 PM  
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Oh I see. So if you aren't a min/maxer you don't know how to play your class and have no skill?
If you're not a min/maxer, then what kinds of stupid shit should someone expect to catch you doing, like wearing cloth on a melee fight? Using App4's on your main when you can perfectly afford Adept 1's and even 3's? Is "I'm not a min/maxer" an ample excuse to be a retard? What aren't you doing that you should be doing during combat, that makes you "not a min/maxer"?

I'd love to put all these "I'm as good as a raider" types on an orange mob raid and watch them keep the bottom of the parse all warm and comfy.

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Your elitist attitude though? Not going to get you anything from SOE.
Nor does your Christlike humility. Which rehashes the old stigma that you get what you're lucky to get.
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Oh I see. So if you aren't a min/maxer you don't know how to play your class and have no skill?
Doesn't matter because in EQ2 trained walruses can be good at their class.

The entire problem with EQ2 is there is no reason to be good at it. Being excellent at it, good at it and sucking ass at it is basically all the same thing.
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