Developers of EQ2 - Page 5

MysidiaDrakkenbane · 01-09-2007, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RadarX

It's about a difference in attitude. There are times when I'm ratcheted down and I want to get stuff done. I'm worried about who is doing what, and why.

The are other times I entertain myself by screwing with the tank non-stop.

That lets me taste a little of both worlds but neither to the extreme. There is nothing wrong with testing strats, switching out gear, tinkering with your AA's. But you have to understand you guys push the envelope which means you are on the edge of the paper. The rest of us are on the paper itself.

Truer words have never been spoken. I don't consider myself a min/maxer (whatever the hell that means). I get upgrades to my gear and spells at my own pace, unless we're raiding something that requires my upgrade. If I get to tougher content, cool. But that's not the be all to end all of my gaming existence.

It's the company I keep that makes the game worth it, to me. It's not that hardcore raiders are any better than me, it's just that your playing style differs from me and that's ok. Just realize that there are plenty of really good players out there that don't follow your "cookie cutter method" to being the best at the game. It takes all kinds, you know?

Stoic · 01-09-2007, 04:58 PM

What saddens me the most is that most times when someone is annoyed with the games progression people feel the need to be personally involved in it. The stock market isn't going to crash cause of this but what would be the fucking harm of a Dev actually talking to hard core raiders so that they don't make content we don't want? Casuals talk to the devs all the time about what ever the fuck they want but raiders aren't allowed to. Thats elitest behaviour in my opinion. We may have diffrent styles of play but I want to play my game with no lag, no broken encounters, no screwed up crappy pathing, and shit no warping in on me from over 300 m away cause a tank pulled it. But thats me the hard core gamer guy that has no concept of any other style of play at all cause i never had to level up to 70 i just magically became 70 and never had to work for it in a low end guild or anything. Fools, any casual who thinks a raider wasn't a casual player at one point in time needs to step back and realize we seen all that content now we want more. God forbid SOE make a game where we want to play on it without bugs.

I got an idea how bout SOE just make a server for casuals cause they are so hard up on making a server for just Raiders, screw that ALL SERVERS ARE RAID ORIENTED all casuals get the fuck out and go play on your special designated servers. Is that what ya want? No one wants that, but that seems to be the answer from any casual who has no concept of the problems at the high end. But i forgot were not allowed to bitch about them.

MysidiaDrakkenbane · 01-09-2007, 09:22 PM

What I find sad is some (not all) raiders base the caliber of the player based on the type of player he is. Basically, if they don't raid, they simply don't measure up and that's complete and utter bullshit.

Stoic, you can completely bitch about the raid content. IMO, I think the raiders got a shitty end of the deal with this new expansion. You pay to play just like the rest of us and are entitled to the same amount of content us casuals have. You will never ever hear me say that you have no right to bitch.

Slamdar · 01-10-2007, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MysidiaDrakkenbane

What I find sad is some (not all) raiders base the caliber of the player based on the type of player he is. Basically, if they don't raid, they simply don't measure up and that's complete and utter bullshit.

Stoic, you can completely bitch about the raid content. IMO, I think the raiders got a shitty end of the deal with this new expansion. You pay to play just like the rest of us and are entitled to the same amount of content us casuals have. You will never ever hear me say that you have no right to bitch.

If you look at the majority of players that raid, and then those that do not raid at all, there is a huge difference in the way they know their class. Just because you are a good tank for instances, doesn't mean that you will be a good main tank, however, if you are a main tank you will be a good tank for instances because of gear and knowledge of your class. Being a decent raider involves people to actually know what the hell they are doing. Any no armed blind retard can solo or play in a group in everquest 2 with little to no problems...

MysidiaDrakkenbane · 01-10-2007, 08:20 AM

Actually, I know a few "instance tanks" (as you put it) that would make fantastic MT's. But because he doesn't have any raiding experience, you immediately brush him off as being a casual scrub.

Casual people know what the hell they're doing. We don't need 23 other people to vouch for our skill, which you seem to think validates our knowledge of our class.

I have no problems with hardcore raiders. You get out of the game something that either 1) most of us don't have the time for (because of real life obligations) or 2) you simply see a different aspect of the game that we don't care to.

It's your playing style that differs, not skill, and a lot of raiders like to blur that line when they really shouldn't.

RadarX · 01-10-2007, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MysidiaDrakkenbane

Actually, I know a few "instance tanks" (as you put it) that would make fantastic MT's. But because he doesn't have any raiding experience, you immediately brush him off as being a casual scrub.

Casual people know what the hell they're doing. We don't need 23 other people to vouch for our skill, which you seem to think validates our knowledge of our class.

I have no problems with hardcore raiders. You get out of the game something that either 1) most of us don't have the time for (because of real life obligations) or 2) you simply see a different aspect of the game that we don't care to.

It's your playing style that differs, not skill, and a lot of raiders like to blur that line when they really shouldn't.

Well put, and I agree with you just because someone doesn't raid means jack shit about whether they know their class or the game.

The problem I have with some (not even remotely all) hardcore raiders is they get in the ivory tower mentality. If it's not raider knowledge it's not important. Your strat for defeating something in EH means absolutely nothing outside EH. I use completely different tactics for instances than I do in a raid and it requires a completely different type of knowledge.

Niami DenMother from EQ2 Traders is a Tradeskilling god. Because I don't understand tradeskilling like she does, she knows the game better? No, she knows that particular aspect better.

And I hate to disagree with Stoic again (not really) I've met some raid MT's that sucked in instances. If they weren't being told what to do, they had no clue what was going on. I don't care how good of a tank you are, if you don't know the instance, you can screw things up.

LFG · 01-10-2007, 11:32 AM

My sole reason for posting in this thread is to point out that the great majority of the EQ2 devs are genuinely nice people, and first rate human beings. From guys like Saavedra who knows how to party and is funny as hell, to people like Cat who does the audio, and who is an extremely attractive woman and nice besides, and who could have easily won the Miss Antonia model contest in her costume, but for the fact she was a SoE employee and couldn't enter.

All I'm suggesting is this: don't hate the devs, hate The Man who controls the devs and is responsible for coordinating their efforts. You too would like the devs if you ever met them, and I always cringe when I see hateful things written about them personally, despite how outspoken I am about other matters involving SoE and EQ2.

Thanks

Kiara · 01-10-2007, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by LFG

My sole reason for posting in this thread is to point out that the great majority of the EQ2 devs are genuinely nice people, and first rate human beings. From guys like Saavedra who knows how to party and is funny as hell, to people like Cat who does the audio, and who is an extremely attractive woman and nice besides, and who could have easily won the Miss Antonia model contest in her costume, but for the fact she was a SoE employee and couldn't enter.

All I'm suggesting is this: don't hate the devs, hate The Man who controls the devs and is responsible for coordinating their efforts. You too would like the devs if you ever met them, and I always cringe when I see hateful things written about them personally, despite how outspoken I am about other matters involving SoE and EQ2.

Thanks

Thank you!! See??? I'm not the only one who thinks this!

And you think we don't agree on anything, LFG

Stoic · 01-10-2007, 11:58 AM

The reason for the ire against the devs is simply that they are our link to the SOE machine. If something breaks down in the machine who we supposed to look to? I know damn well that no SOE brass are going to come on there and say "hey look guys I make 5 million a year here and I was the one who told them they can't do X or Y or Z and that your SOL sorry but my paycheck is worth more than your entertainment, later suckers." Well I kinda filled it in but they don't care. The public needs a figure to look to to ask questions and get answers. If not a Dev then who? If you can point me in the direction of the people who make the bugs I will be happy to bitch at them for sucking at their job but seeing as we don't have that the devs get our ire.

It might not be ideal to blame everything on the devs but who else we gonna complain about when pathing in X zone makes mobs run around this rock 30 times before coming to the group? I am sure the devs are really cool people and had I the chance I would love to meet some and pick their brain in a constructive way. The old "SOE sucks" line gets old we need someone to blame for glaring problems that no one seems to notice or care about on the SOE end. It might not be the best system there is but to be perfectly honest if the Devs were more vocal about changes and we didn't have to "discover" half the problems as a player base their job wouldn't be nearly as rough. People would be more respectful of them because they are owning up to a problem and seeking input on how to best resolve it.

The dev position at SOE is so hush hush that its a wonder we even get patch notes. I can't tell ya how many times I have seen posts on the boards saying "hey they ninja nerfed this XXXX". Ninja nerfs and poor community interaction causes resentment and annoyance. People don't want to play the game where the dev is a trying to sell ya one thing while secretly working on this other thing that will never be mentioned cause if the player base found out it was happening they might actually oppose it and god forbid SOE be told how the game should be run from the players. Actually come to think of it the players don't want to run they game they just want it to work without bugs and nerfs all the time. Shoot I personally wouldn't mind being a straight shooting in your face kind of dev. Not in a negative way either, but being frank and open with the community and telling the brass to shut their fucking pie holes and let the gamers run this game not some jackass in a tie who makes more in a week than I will in a year.

Kiara · 01-10-2007, 12:05 PM

Blame the Customer Relations people for the lack of information.

Not the devs.