Gori

Did you completely fucking miss the whole "I am quitting because my dad died" line of BS? To characterize their problem with her as being primarily based on cyber or loot (at least as evidenced by your complete lack of mentioning the PRIMARY complaint in the OP) is so far off the mark as to make me question whether you only see what you want to see.

Karog

Who gives a fuck if she/he garnered sympathy from those tards?

He/She left Najena because SD had a total lockdown on that server, and PE were so inept at trying to even get a sniff of a contested. I'll never meet 99.9% of any of the eq 2 people i game with so i could give a shit if she/he lied to someone about why she/he was leaving their inept guild. If he would put that fucking effort into finding strats or killing a mob maybe it wouldn't take them 4 hours to clear labs.


And i could understand the whole front page of their website having this flame post on it, looking at their accompllishments thats the best thing they've done in T7.

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Rinion

probably is mroe going on.

But god damn do i have to call bullshit. The average, acceptable excuses for leaving a guild are. Hey, Guys. my work/school schedule changed.

thats a 'hey you gotta do what you gotta do'

But nooooo Cristina here says, 'I'm Pregnant and My father just died and now my baby will never know him /sob /sob'

So not only did she give an excuse to leave, she gave one that caused peple to have false sympathy for her and that is unacceptable.

then rather then maintaining that she quit the game on them she goes and creates a level one to keep logging in and soaking up the sympathy from people.

she could of just as easily left it all behind her did the name change/transfer and posted the app with the Changed name rather then her old one and that would of been that.

she brought this on herself.

So like i said before, whats it with what remains of hardcore guilds on eq2 defending New Recruit Scumbags and pretending to laugh the matter off?

Are recruitment rates really THAT low!?

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Rinion

"I'm never going to meet them" "so fuck morals"?

So this is what EQ2 is left with? Honorless Guilds.

"A Chain is only as strong as it's weakest link" you ever hear that saying? hows this one for you? "A guild is only as good as its lowest member"

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Karog

hahah, you call us giveing she/he a shot at redeeming she/himself honorless? excuse me but i didn't know you were the bill o'reily of the internet..

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Rinion

No, I don't call giving her a second chance honorless. Quite the contrary. But you never said that before.

So far your posts have been something along the lines of, 'I've seen thier accomplishments, no wonder they devoted thier front page to this'

You've never mentioned giving her a 2nd chance, you have only defended the dumb shit she did and assaulted the people she wronged with your put downs. And THAT is without Honor.

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Gori

You act like this was some honest mistake, where a person should indeed be given an immediate chance at redemption, or a little white lie, where one might be given a chance at immediate redemption.

She fucking straight out bold faced lied that her father died; that is not some little white lie. A lie such as this goes to the very fucking core of a person's character.

Maybe, just maybe, if a person comports themselves properly for a fair period of time after such a lie they should be given a second chance, but straight away? I would think any guild worth a shit would have vetted an app not just on skill but on character, with particular regard to how that character is displayed towards the guild as a whole and the people in it individually.

I think it may say a lot about your guild that you hold this particular facet of a person's character in such low regard.

Anikara

Wow Karog! I gather one of two things from you. Either you are a complete waste of humanity and a moral wasteland, or you have to be the dumbest and most trusting oxygen thief I have ever had the displeasure of seeing in print. That you would defend, let alone trust sombody of such low moral calibre only makes me question the level of character in your entire guild.
I personally do not know Cristina that well nor do I care to, but if someone threw a well reserched indicator of someone's character in my direction, then I would most assuredly stop defending her worthless ass. And taking her hatred and deceit as truth about a guild for which you know absolutely nothing only shows how absolutely gullible you are.
I do have one question for you though. I recall hearing that Cristina self removed from your guild, what 2 days ago? Shall I point out that eq2players showed her as guilded until sometime 2 nights ago, and listed her last log on as Jan 28th.
HMMMMM perhaps Karog is the cyber scorned, and is only trying to save face. As to the question of using ANY real life information to garner anything from a MMO, that is down right fucked. If you think garnering sympathy at the cost of friends is okay, then I truly hope you lose a close relative and get ZERO sympathy from anyone.

Now...
Before you decide to go 12 year old on me Karog, and start a flame tirade. Let me tell you something about the people you are calling tards. We are all very close friends, something I am sure you will never experience. We would do anything for each other that is within our abilities, both in game and often times out. The fact that you choose to put your entire focus in this world into a game then I truly pity you. In the end we could care less about the game itself and what the motorcycle whore did in it, we do care that she lied in a way that played upon the real world sympathies that any real human should feel. Now while you choke that down, go formulate your inane response and talk all the shit you want, but in the end I see you and your guild as the only TARDS defending this piece of human trash that has less value than the toilet paper that i have wiped my ass with.

Karog

Look back over my post and tell me where i defended anything she/he "DID". Infact read them all, and i bet you'll see in there somewhere about giving her a shot on her own merits not what someone "tells" us she/he did..

But you can bet your ass if she/he had tried that in Genesis they would be gone, believe me i know. The leaders of this guild don't even take innerguild arguments lightly, they are probably the most straight forward people i've met in game. I'm not a leader, nor a recruiter, i'm just a tank, and thats all i do is tank and speak for myself.

Thats why i was surprised when i find 3 or 4 different PE people sending me tells during prime raid time about Deanne/Cris on toons they created on Crushbone just to follow him/her around. I was a bit surprised by it, and it was annoying considering at the time we were raiding. I blew it off till we talked later. being as they contacted me over a 3 day period...

1) i thought this kind of strange that a person would go to such lengths to do this to a person.

2) it got really kind of stalkerish after a while.

3) it seemed there was a underlying agenda at hand, being they wanted us to kick him/her from this guild as well.

If you've played MMO's long enough you have seen just about everything to do with the whole recruit/application process. And maybe you've been apart of it at one time. Where a old guild upset with said person leaving the guild will do anything they can to bash the outgoing guildy to the new guild. In hopes of doing a double whammy on the ex-guildy and getting them booted from the new guild.

We got a letter from one of the officers of the guild stating that while we've seen this before if any member sees the closest thing to something going on to let a leader/officer know. (We were already prepared and handling it in-guild) (Giving the benefit of the doubt, as our leaders have probably seen it all before..)

Now in my final post on this matter i'd like to say this.

PE you might be a fine guild indeed, but by doing what you did not only drug Cris through the mud but allowed 2 guilds to be "judged" by the "moral Majority" of this community. Judging by the responses on your own forums by your own members alot of them detested this being done on your frontpage. (Just as there are probably some members in my guild who destest this post.) In the end, Cris/Deanne decided to leave the guild of her own accord. Posting on our forums that was her/his wishes, as such she was removed from the guild as requested. (you dont have to be logged into the game to request being deguilded... Thats for the PE person who was sending me tells yesterday in game..) We will move on and as such so will PE, but for whatever reason both guilds will continue to be judged by the "moral majority" of this community on this matter, one guild was conned out of sympathy and another guild continues its search for another guildy. Regardless all of this could have been avoided if someone could have just said goodbye instead of going all phsyco..

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Iris

No one's saying a lie told like a fake death isn't morally reprehensible but it happens at various levels all the time in this online world of anonymity. If you don't believe that you're ignorant. I'm not going waste my time schooling you on life but you best not take everything you read on the internet at face value and you better hope others don't either should you find yourself in a similar situation. The facts are he/she wanted to leave for whatever reason, told a bad lie, tried covering their tracks, got caught and is paying for it with some public basting while you are all here laying judgment. Good entertainment for sure.


Though PEs smear campaign is hilarious the incredible effort involved is freaky and suspicious is it not? Looking up personal shit from the Illinois Department of public records? How fucking bad do you need to get burned to go through the amount of effort to present that much "evidence"? It's little wonder Deanne/Christine tried covering their tracks with the server move or even justified the big lie in their own mind escaping such tenacious stalkers. You'll have a hard time convincing me they were strictly being good Samaritans when they took no effort to warn guild leadership privately and instead just laid the smack down on him/her publicly.


To be clear, this person WAS an applicant for 6days. PE posted this on our site 1/28 2:50pm, She/he left sometime 1/29 the day after this coming up and we never got a chance to flesh out the truth though we certainly warned the guild internally. Who knows, maybe he/she left was because of the increased scrutiny they would get and they really were a bad apple and we owe PE some thanks. Nothing of worry came up the 2 whole times he/she raided with us before this but you certainly wouldn't expect it to in such a short time.

PE's goal was to ruin this person's eq2 life and try to teach them a lesson. Misson accomplished for at least the eq2 part in the near term.