Lucutious

Ask and ye shall recieve.

Her first reply was this one (Which Nethos accidentally deleted, but reposted) (reduced image, click for full size)


Then she carried on to talk in this thread.

Not like it makes much of a difference, but I was the Raid Leader of that Deathtoll raid, and useless or not, if a SK wants that weapon, over a mystic, on a NEED BEFORE GREED raid, then the SK gets it. Even if she could use it and she got an amazing 100 dps from it, I'm pretty darn sure the SK can get more - and that was our point.

It's been mentioned once already, but it didn't take a great deal of time. Public Record searches are very quick and easy, I do them on a daily basis. (Although I had no part in this "investigation")

You assume that in a "reversed role" you would deserve to be defended. Months and months of lies lead to this, not just 1 incident. Further, her replies to the thread do not dispute any of the provided information, they just say "I'm going down, and I'm going to take you with me." That's not what an innocent person proclaims...

1 - Nethos most certainly did get gypped out of one thing - he never cyber'd her. I'll be one to stand here and say that he couldn't stand her shit, and in fact tried to boot her before this but the democracy of the guild kept her in. Nethos's honor and reputation isn't quite on the line here, it's Cristina's. Argue that all you want, but unless you have some sort of proof, you know, what Nethos brought to the table, I'd kindly ask you to leave any bashing of him out of it.

2 - Our loot system? It's DKP, you can't really go wrong with DKP. Yes, there are downfalls, but the system is pretty cut and dry. The only part of the loot system that actually came into question here is when some other toon won an item rightfully, and she attempted to underhand the deal by offering that toon plat for the item. Even in your system where the leadership chooses where items go I'm sure that would be frowned upon...

I'm glad that she pushed buttons for your guild, in ours she did absolutely nothing, and due to her neglect kept us from progressing on more than one night. I think she pretty much stopped doing anything once we sat her down and explained to her teh mechanics of pre-warding. While 1 or 2 mobs are inc? Sure - pre-ward all you want! Anything more though, and it's better to time your ward just right so it hits 1-2 seconds after the mobs hit the MT. I remember in Lyceum in particular where she'd pre-ward on every damn pull and wonder why she died on near every one. Yes, MT's job is to grab agro, however things do resist every now and then, and when they do - it's ker-splat to the healer that healed them.

That says a lot right there...

You mean she played good girl for 6 days? That's honestly not that suprising, it's a short time to get to know anyone well enough to see who she needs to "grease" to get what she wants.

As to why we put up with her? Well we are a family-friendly guild. We have a lot of players that try real hard, but still aren't "uber raiding" quality. This set-up is fine by us, we have no real issue with it whatsoever. Due to this, our rules aren't a strict in a playing aspect. When we saw one of her downfalls, we corrected it on the spot. Nothing she ever did, that we knew about right then, was specifically against the rules when it happened - it was all skirting one thing or another. Once certain things were found out, though, and proved - that's when the shitstorm came rollin down.

You weren't the only one to remember that. Unfortunately, the guild you refer to has pretty much stopped existance in EQ2 and the guild leader deleted the forums, so I couldn't go dig up that post to show pattern. How you doing by the way, haven't seen you in forever.

SD doesn't have a complete lockdown, but it's close. Even if they did, we wouldn't give 2 shits though. We actually had a "recall roster" at one point where we'd call people at all hours when a contested was up. We've still got spotters at most the locations, and from time to time we still check them. We really decided, as a guild, that we didn't want that type of race. I'd be willing to put money down that if we WANTED to hit more contested, we could give SD a run for it's money. Sure, SD has been dong it longer, and thus would get a majority of the pops - but we'd get a few of them. I'd say that wouldn't be bad for an "inept guild."

... and it doesn't take us 4 hours to clear labs. I'm pretty sure the last time I ran a labs raid we cleared in just over 100 minutes. Sure, it's not the fastest - and we always strive to do better, but it's a far cry from 4 hours.

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Anikara

My question still stands. At this point last log in for Deanna says Jan 28th. Now, if she left your guild on Jan 29th then Sony has gotten really really bad at updating eq2players, but since mine has accurately updated to state that I logged on January 30th, and we know that there is some delay in updating the website, something still does not make sense in Genesis land. The fact that people compiled their case before posting here only shows that they were thorough in their accusations, NOT in any way that they were stalkers. This was done as much to let Genesis know what was going on, and also to let everyone on Najena server know what had happened in case she tried the same server transfer stunt and came back looking for more generosity to take advantage of. Bottom line is that she did something that needed to be reported to those we share the gaming experience with, and instead of leveling unsubstantiated accusations they did their reserch.

Guild leaders are trusted to be the protectors of the guild and I would hope that any guild leader would go to the extreme to protect my investment of time and money into this game. Yes I said investment and at $15 per month this is indeed an investment. Nethos and the other leader of PE have done just that, and would do so again to any other member/ex-member that chose to betray the trust of the people who play. I have seen your guild website and I know that from Cristina's hate-filled words about Nethos there, that you guys believe him to be an obsessed stalker. I have led guilds in SWG and EQ2 and know what it is like to deal with trouble members. Would I go to this extreme I cannot say, but I for one am thankful that there are guild leaders like Nethos who care enough about the good people in game to warn them about the trash. Nethos is not a megalomaniac and unlike many leaders does bow to the voice of reason. And to be honest he listens quite often to any suggestions his guild members have to offer.

In the end i could care less what anyone thinks of what I have to say here. My life is my family and the U.S. Army and not this GAME. I do however care when people accuse an honoable man of being a stalker and such and defend someone who has the morality of an everyday con-artist. There is indeed more to this story that was not and will not be shared because they did in fact repect her private details and only published the public info.

Rinion

To the first part. So you did mention giving her a 2nd chance. I Appoligize.

To the second part. Yes I have seen that, but ussualy its when they boot a person out of thier guild or the person leaves in anger. Not when someone leaves to move on to bigger and better things. I've done it before, But I've never EVER felt the need to lie about it. Espetially on such a grand scale as "my relative died"

Seriously if she straight up told them, "im moving on to a guild that can kill shit" how ass hurt would they have been? any true friends she had would of remained friends. And any flames about her we could of all pointed and laughed at, because they wouldn't of meant shit.

in reply to the text highlighted in red. Maybe I am ignorant but how about providing some example?
There is a huge Difference between an excuse and a Lie. Common Excuses Used: "Hey, I have to clean up the kitchen"(when you just want to log out) or "A guildee needs a hand with something"(when you just dont want to be grouped with them) you know what ever.

point is none of these are lieing (unless you happen to either not own a kitchen or enver use it and arent guilded, as some guildee somewhere probably needs help with something.) Also, in the Case of leaving a guild. you should never have to lie about it. Period, thiers just no excuse for it.

Reply to the text in magetna. Did you read it all? she told a "bad lie" and RATHER then covering her tracks and disapearing for awhile, loged in on a anon alt and tried to play them further for sympathy.

Finnaly reply to the text in Pink. wait a sec. she justified the lie she created in her own mind AFTER she already told it and caused this stalkerish action?
Maybe if she didnt log in after claiming to have quit you could justify that statment. but it isn't stalkerish to investigate someones shady shit and bring it to light.

now a question to you. WHY are you still defending this person? she left your guild and the proof against her is solid? You try to justify her actions by saying 'everyone does it' as seen in the red text. Why? whats the point in defending her, if she left you guild just cut off ties and dont drag your guild down into her shit.

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Lucutious

For the record...

I had a couple PM's so I thought I'd answer them directly.

My personal stance is that SD is a quality guild, and they do amazing things. I'm not sure if "better" is a proper term, as each person has their own views as to what they want out of a game, but they aer a damn solid guild. I have no issues with anyone in SD to be honest, except a bit of e-peen envy of Exill. Damn you've got some nice shit lol.

Genesis? I have no clue what you guys are about, I don't know if I'd say you're a "good" or "bad" guild, as I don't have any real information about you, and I don't care to. My "flames" only point toward the things said in this thread, nothing more - nothing less. Overall I wish you well.

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Anikara

I would have to second what Luc said. Genesis I am sorry for generalizing your guild based on comments here, but let's face it, that is exactly what the posts here have done to PE. You do not know us and we do not know you. Our styles are different and in the end this is about what one person did. Why you wish to defend her is of no real concern here, but what is of concern is that you are judging us and our leadership based on the word of someone who so evidently tells lies. I wish you luck in any endeavor and with that my piece is said.

Dashize

/wave

hammarus

Wow! This thread is Hawt!

Iris

Go blame SOE, there are many things with eq2players that are broken or slow to update. Happy yet? Need us to do anything else to put your obsessive minds at ease? And she/he asked to be removed in a forum post while not online.




PE, if this was your idea of doing us a favor, please dont. You dragged us into this and thats the only reason Im writing this. I know our roster rankings are a little cryptic but with your incredible detective skills Im sure you could've figured out who the right people were in Genesis were that you couldve talked to about this before waging your war of moral superiority catching us in the middle.


You want me to supply examples and prove to you people lie? Even big lies? Tell me you arnt serious?

Im not going to fucking argue with you over things that are clearly speculation. You saw it on the internet so it must be true, I dont believe everything I see right away before checking into it myself. I could photoshop your name into all those pictures given time and motivation. Wouldnt make it true, but someone will believe it and it might also get me in trouble.

At worst you can accuse me of defending a presumption of innocence and not joining your posse so quickly for a public witch burning or cyber-bullying.

Now, are there any other mystics with less baggage out there lfg? Wait... forget it lol.

Garroter

Wow, that reply by Cristina was such bullshit. To Cristina: you're probably one of the saddest fags to ever play Eq2. And that's saying alot.

You criticize PE for not being able to kill mobs like Tarinax until late in KoS or after EoF. Problem is, that them not being able to kill it was most likely due to you Ms. Afk-during-raids-for-20-minutes bitch. From what I hear, and from what has been confirmed, you're a selfish assclown that just dragged Phoenix Elite down whenever you decided to log in for a raid. Oh, not to mention you're a liar too. Dad dying in rl? Rofl, what a shitty excuse.

And the funny thing is, you go from a guild like PE, who doesn't kill mobs until late because they're a fucking family guild (i.e. it is not their main focus to kill shit and get loot) to some no-name second rate raiding guild on Crushbone. I mean, being on CB alone is laughable enough, but with dumbfucks like Karog in the guild, you should feel right at home.

You want Nethos to come back when he's done something with his life and has contributed to society? Yeah, ummm, pot calling the kettle black right there. You've made a very valuable contribution to this community: you've provided some good quality entertainment! I wont lie: we love to laugh at stupid people like you.

I like how you're knocking PE when you werent even good enough for them. Have fun in your new guild.

And have a nice life you jizz guzzling dick rider.

Peace.

Thiorne

Actually her response to contribute to society ect, was directed at me.

She threw a 6.35/hour comment at me also, which makes no sense. I'm a stay at home mom of 3. I do not work, however my husband is in the Air Force --Lucutious from above--.

Me working at this point and time would only suffice to pay for daycare, so instead I stay home, take care of my children and support my husband in his job. The make-up comment she made was about some Glamour shot photos my husband posted in the PE RL picture thread...which if you ask me is a low blow anyways.

I dont even log on the game that often anyways, so why she chose me as a target for her tantrum throwing is beyond me. I never liked her even when I was previously guilded with her in Talons of Justice on Najena. I voiced my concern over her lying and con-artistry at a guild gathering in Vegas back in September, but nothing ever came of it. Until now. Am I sad to see her go? No. Do I think she picked a really poor way of doing it? Yes.

It was only a matter of time before she got caught in her lies.