Out a moderator! - Page 26

Arthais · 09-27-2006, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Savanja

Arthais..No, it doesn't work with the same exact person, though it's not as if it doesn't happen. ;)

Well yeah but that's a whole 'nother issue. Amusingly enough it's actually NOT a breech of legal ethics to sleep with your client..*shrug*.

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That doctor needs to understand where the line is drawn professionally, and if he cannot (reminds me of an article about an OB/GYN that fondled his patients) their superiors (board of health?) deal with it for them. I think that if a mod is working professionally, then complaints should be issued to their superiors, as with ANY service.

Therein lies the rub however. If I go see an ob/gyn (stop yer snickering it's your hypothetical), I can go to the board of health and look up what that doctor is, and is not, allowed to do. I can go look up that doctor and see his history, and if that doctor does something that he isn't supposed to do, I can take action.

If however I say a not very nice but still technically legal post about fellow poster bob and bob gets all upset and logs into his mod account which, by the way, I have no idea of knowing that it's him, and takes action against me...how am I to know he did it?

To follow the hypothetical, this situation is going to a doctor, but the rules for what that doc can and can't do are made unknown to me.

Fundamental lack of transparency.

Arthais · 09-27-2006, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Nurta

Whoa!!!

So being a mod is equal to being a lawyer or doctor?!?! HOLY SHIT! Sign me up batman.

You wanna take a bet that Raijiin doesn't have a conflict of interest clause in his contract?

RadarX · 09-27-2006, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by LFG

I disagree, the forums are provided by SoE as part of the game. It's a part of the game I pay for. I know that because Raijinn and others earn a salary from SoE that is funded in part by subscription revenue. They don't operate that forum for benevolent purposes, it exists as a part of EQ2 that I'm only able to use if I'm an EQ2 subscriber.

You can disagree but it's the fact of how it is. SOE has created something, and if you enjoy that something? You pay for it. If you don't? You don't. I don't like Toyota's but I don't show up to the Toyota dealership telling them what shitty cars they make.

RadarX · 09-27-2006, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Arthais

Unless raijiin, brenlo, and all the rest of the paid CS staff draw an income from sources other than subscription payments...bullshit.

Subscription costs pay for the costs with the forum, and pay for the services of those who moderate them. Yes, we most certainly pay for the forums, and as such it is as much of a service provided by my contract with SOE as the game is itself.

I'm sorry YOU pay for what again? Thought so.

Nurta · 09-27-2006, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Arthais

You wanna take a bet that Raijiin doesn't have a conflict of interest clause in his contract?

I don't care if he does or doesn't. I said mod, in my mind mod does not equal administrator or a red name. In one of your posts I interpreted your meaning that you were comparing a moderator to a doctor or lawyer. THAT is laughable on many scales considering pay, training, and a whole slew of other crap far too boring for me to even care to wonder. Saying a mod should be held to the same standards as a doctor or lawyer is like saying an apple should be an orange just "because".

The easy solution for so IMO would be to just get rid of the forums altogether. If people have a complaint they could use in game tools or email or whatever else. The forums are not a right, and their RoC binds users who agree to it to post by their rules. They make the rules, they enforce them, unlike when a doctor commits malpractice there isn't a governing body to go to. The only option is to just not post anymore.

SanjuNana · 09-27-2006, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Snartal Sinac

outting any Mod, even Gaige, or attempting to do so is just childish. It reaks of sour grapes, bitterness, and someone not allowed to play on the team he wanted to. Grow the fuck up.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. I have absolutely no desire to be a moderator on eq2forums. I've moderated and admined several forums before (none quite as big as EQ2's, however), and it's a headache that I don't wish on anyone. I'm not sure how you can make any of those claims when you don't know me.

My post was merely informational, and wasn't posted with ill intent.

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Originally Posted by Elanie

Gotta agree here. I was a little shocked and angry that this happened. The mods deserve to be able to do their job without fear of being "outted." Granted, Sony could have brought in people who were not players, or allowed the players to moderate from their actual accounts, but I think the reason they're on anonymous accounts was to avoid a couple of things.

Getting harassed in game for actions on the board
People being able to point and say "He's playing favorites with someone in his guild/on his server"
The ability to physically "seperate" themselves from a situation by having to acutally log into another account to do moderly type things
Easier to "replace" as they just need to change the password and give it to someone new

1. Getting harassed in game for actions on the board They are not required to post their in-game character names (and some mods do not, even on their non-mod account). If they choose to do so, they are free to /ignore any harassment, just as anyone else would be.

2. People being able to point and say "He's playing favorites with someone in his guild/on his server Well, if he IS playing favorites with someone in his guild/server, then it would be a problem, wouldn't it? Mods are supposed to be impartial enforcers of the rules.

3. The ability to physically "seperate" themselves from a situation by having to acutally log into another account to do moderly type things Uhh ... what?

4. Easier to "replace" as they just need to change the password and give it to someone new It's not difficult to create a new forum account and flag it to be a moderator, trust me.

Petgroup · 09-27-2006, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RadarX

You can disagree but it's the fact of how it is. SOE has created something, and if you enjoy that something? You pay for it. If you don't? You don't. I don't like Toyota's but I don't show up to the Toyota dealership telling them what shitty cars they make.

But we can sure post it on message boards and yell it as we drive by them.

Nobody here is showing up at Sony and saying what a sucky job they are doing.

Arthais · 09-27-2006, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RadarX

You can disagree but it's the fact of how it is. SOE has created something, and if you enjoy that something? You pay for it. If you don't? You don't. I don't like Toyota's but I don't show up to the Toyota dealership telling them what shitty cars they make.

Can you go to the WoW boards and post without a subscription?

How about Eve?

How about DAoC?

How about EQ2?

No, you can't, you need a subscription to do it, and to do that you enter into whatever agreement you and that company agree to. If you can not use a service without first entering into a financial agreement with that company then you pay for that service.

If you are required to have a subscription to use the forums, and you are required to pay for a subscription, then you are required to pay for the use of the forums.

If you can't follow that logic train I don't know what else I can do for ya.

Arthais · 09-27-2006, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Nurta

said mod, in my mind mod does not equalTHAT is laughable on many scales considering pay, training, and a whole slew of other crap far too boring for me to even care to wonder. Saying a mod should be held to the same standards as a doctor or lawyer is like saying an apple should be an orange just "because".

I say one should be held to the same standard as another because they are both positions. Name me one other profession that doesn't follow similar guidelines.

Nurta · 09-27-2006, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Arthais

You wanna take a bet that Raijiin doesn't have a conflict of interest clause in his contract?

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Originally Posted by Arthais

Can you go to the WoW boards and post without a subscription?

How about Eve?

How about DAoC?

How about EQ2?

No, you can't, you need a subscription to do it, and to do that you enter into whatever agreement you and that company agree to. If you can not use a service without first entering into a financial agreement with that company then you pay for that service.

If you are required to have a subscription to use the forums, and you are required to pay for a subscription, then you are required to pay for the use of the forums.

If you can't follow that logic train I don't know what else I can do for ya.

Ahh right! So by this logic then b/c I am paying for my house in game and b/c I pay SoE to play EQ2 then I actually OWN that house in game and all those belongings inside it? Right, I gotcha now. Oh wait, what about the EULA?