RadarX

Keep telling yourself you're an active part of the community. I'm sure someone will buy it.

Arthais

I can not speak for the current guide program but back...oh, what is it now...5 years or so when I was a guide for eq1, guides were expressly and absolutly prohibited from having a guide character on any server they had a character on.

And from a legal perspective I'm unsure of how the volunteer/compensation thing works, but I do know there were (though I can not speak for now) things to prevent that.

Arthais

I am unsure of when I used the particular words "active part of the community" in this post.

In fact I specifically remember me replying to sav saying I had to take time off for more pressing personal concerns.

Nurta

Actually I think you'd find that more than just Dar would agree with you. I completely and wholeheartedly agree the rules should be present AND enforced. Time and again it was said Echgar was the NGD moderator yet others came in and whipped their dicks out. Consistentcy the moderation has not been and for that I will blame SoE 100% as will I blame them for their mod choices b/c some of the mods chosen are complete pompass assholes, however, some are not.

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Rapture

Guides are still prohibited from having a character on any server they play or have played on in the past. They're also warned against showing favoritism in any way, for obvious reasons.

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RadarX

Sorry, I'm making assumptions based on the usage of "we." Mixing that with the fact you seem gravely concerned about an EQ2 related travesty, it appeared to me you were actually involved. My mistake, and you have my apologies.

Savanja

I don't see how that can be enforced. There is no way for them to know whether or not a person has an account with characters on the same server as a guide unless they expressly believe this to be the case and go on a IP hunt, and even then, its iffy.

It seems that people would have to take it on faith that the company was enforcing it's rules for it's volunteers.

Arthais

I do not compare one to the other. I state that they are both the same thing, positions of relative power over others through the course of business.

If I wasn't clear on that, let me be so now. I do not refer to guild leaders, or parents, or anything else, only those who have a position of power and influence over others through the course of business (you can also add public works to that I suppose).

paid, unpaid, trained, untrained, doesn't matter.

And in every SINGLE example I can think of, every single one, in which one is placed in a position of relative power over another through the course of business or public works, there are ethical guidelines in place to prevent conflict of interest.

I rejected your guild leader example as it doesn't fit in with the framework, though I am willing to concede that I perhaps did not outline that framework sufficiently.

Training, expense, time, anything like that is irrelevant, since my postion is, with exceptions to things like this, it seems that any example of when one person is in a position of relative power and influence over another person through the course of business or public works, policies are in place to prevent conflict of interest and self dealing..

Now I don't wish to open old wounds here, and I'm quite happy to have an intelligent conversation on the matter, if you can think of something that fits in to that framework and is without that exception, feel free, I can not think of one.

As for the fish thing, yeah I remembered that after I submitted it.

Pinski

That's exactly the way it is here. Also if somebody was to tell somebody else they were a guide on that server, they would be REMOVED from being a guide. Don't see that happening for mods now do we?

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Arthais

IP hunt or, I imagine, credit card and account name/address could find it.

Of course if the rule IS there, and the company makes good faith efforts to prevent it, and the volunteer/employee does it ANYWAY, well the company did all they can.

I'm not asking perfection, I'm asking good faith. Show me good faith.

I haven't seen good faith here. And, apparently by this thread, a lot haven't. That's fundamentally the problem.

Yeah people will circumvent the rules but at least show me you are TRYING to prevent it.

That's all.