Surolan, first attempt at a full scaled Flame

Kviller · 05-15-2007, 02:15 AM

Target: Surolan, Guild Leader of Dark Haven
Server: Splitpaw
Subject: Chronic Liar

Ok this may take some time, and it may not be as entertaining as many other flames, so if you dont like long posts, or "softcore flames", dont read on ;P

This instance took place approx 6-8 months ago (not sure on date tbh)
I had just joined Dark Haven, "promising young" Coercer called Angh. I joined, full of great exspectations for this new guild i had joined, Dark Haven, supposedly the best Casual Raiding Guild on Splitpaw.
The first week went by, Drama came by and stayed. I decided to leave the guild after just 1 week. This was probably where My bad decision(s) were made, i decided to go join a guild called Amenta on the Splitpaw Server. Amenta was a raiding guild, but just didnt live up to my exspectations, so i decided to guild remove and stay guildless.
After having the experience with Amenta, i thought i would try to give Dark Haven another try, so i contacted Surolan... Surolan was gonna talk to the other officers about it, all was fine and dandy, i got back in, became full member, made lots of friends, and this is where the lies began.

We needed a Troubador badly in Dark Haven. I knew that a friend of mine, currently guildless, had a around 60 Troubador that would just need some PLing. Surolan gave us the deadling of 1 week to get this Troubador to lvl 70 before she would consider him, no problem at all, me on holidays and my friend having good work times paid off and we got to 70 within the week, my friend submitted his application, but withdrew it for some reason which im afraid i cannot recall at this moment. Little time after he resubmitted his application, and the application was, in general, looking VERY poor (very little information etc.) so i called him up, asked if this really was the work of him and his reply was "No", he had, with his own judgement, created a pretty good application, yet alot of the info he said he had written was missing on the application. I didnt think more about it, just thought it was a mistake and i just added the info that was missing in a reply on the application.

No problem there, people read it, but noone seemed to reply to his application but a few people. Most were willing to give him a chance, yet a few people in Dark Haven had, apparently, 2 years prior to my friend's Application had a bad experience with him. I didnt think more about that, cus seriously... 2 years? So a few more replyed to his application and Surolan made a reply saying she had spoken with my friend about joining us and she came with rediculous accusations towards my friend - said stuff like "he only wanted to join cus i was there and didnt plan on staying for more than 1 week" and crap like that, so i contacted my friend again, asked him about this crap and he gave me a copy of the log. It just didnt add up, alot of the stuff from Surolan's log didnt match with my friends log. I decided to investigate further, forwarding the log, and a copy of Surolan's msg on the boards (if she was to delete it) to 1 of the other Officers. But she didnt have time to look at it. The next day Surolan threw the application in the dumbster and i left. I left filled with hatred for treating an applicant like she did.

I then stayed guildless for some time and joined a guild called Lore - a promising Casual Raiding Guild on Splitpaw. While i was in Lore i was missing Dark Haven alot, the times i had with the people there and the raids, people just knew their classes better in Dark Haven than in Lore, so i decided to create a new application to Dark Haven.

I gave it all i could, quote from songs, everything to win back Dark Haven's heart, but i got rejected. I stayed in Lore, time flew by, and i decided to leave Lore to join Unity. It was in Unity i met a old friend from Dark Haven which i ended up talking with alot. We talked about everything, how Unity was doing, why he/she left Dark Haven, and this is where i got the truth.

My friend was in Dark Haven still after i had left them with my Coercer, Angh, and she could report what Surolan had said about me.
Terrible lies! She ordered all members NOT to speak to me, she made sure that i wouldnt be able to rejoin Dark Haven before she was dead, she basically told everyone i was a psycho-crazy-idiot that just wanted to ruin everyone's gaming experience.

Well thats fine, i thought, i didnt really give a crap about her and her thoughts, until my friend told me that everyone, each and everyone, except for maybe 1 person, in Dark Haven believed her lies! They stayed away from me, if they saw "Angh" associated with a grp or open raid, they would go a long way around it just to avoid me. This aggravated me, in general, im a nice guy, until you piss me off. Surolan had, with but a few words, taken ALL the friends i had in Dark Haven away, just by MAKING them believe her. Instead of her telling the truth, she would come up with a lie so that people would follow her point of view and her opinions. And if people didnt? Well, then they would be kicked from Dark Haven! She kept people in a iron grip of fear for being exiled from Dark Haven and positioned as "Idiot of the Month who left for his own benefit" - which is almost never the truth!

I found out that i wasnt the only 1 she had lied about, my friend had criticized her on the Forums, and Surolan flamed my friend, making him/her disband Dark Haven to look for a new guild. When my friend was out of Dark Haven, the exiling began. Surolan, like with me, told everyone to stay at least 5 miles away from my friend and never to talk with her as she was a liar.

I can handle people lieing about me, i can handle people not telling the truth about me or trying to exile me, but do that to my friends - you just dug your own grave, Surolan..

As i said, it has been about 6 or 8 months since i was in Dark Haven, and the lies keeps pouring in. A good friend of mine left Dark Haven as well because he/she, as well, choose to criticize Surolan's way of leading the guild, Surolan attempted to exile him/her too, but alot of people started to see the lies and ignored her cryes for attention, but not enough people. Surolan would simply dumb and replace people she was afraid would overturn her "kingdom".

Surolan is, i think my friend found the right expression, "super crazy psycho bitch(tm)" - Surolan may seem nice on the outside, you may even consider liking her, but cross her path and feel her wrath!

Really! I dont think i can explain how much i hate that bitch after all the lies i heard she told about me!
I dont have anything against most of the Dark Haven members, as Surolan is a manipulating "super crazy psycho bitch(tm)" and its her i hate, but why, in gods name do they still believe her?! After all the crap she said... If there is any Dark Haven members reading these boards, do yourself a favour and kick Surolan in the stomach and run - dont look back - just run.

Good to get that off my shoulders - sorry if its not flamatory enough for "eq2flames.com" :P

Rinion · 05-15-2007, 08:47 AM

well written at least and a good testimonial on your part, but you seem to be basing it off a lot of hearsay..

any of your 'friends' have logs?

Interesting why you say friends so often, last I checked a friend stands by you when shit goes down, the majority of Dark haven didn't, as you said. I would refer to them as an acquaintance, but thats just me. "Friends" on the internet (acquaintances) only last till your subscription is canceled.

Kviller · 05-15-2007, 08:57 AM

I trust the friends i have in EQ2 and i highly doubt they will lie about something of this caliber.

Im guessing that they all would have logs, but i know they will also prefer to stay anonymous for now.

And alot of the members of Dark Haven actually - afaik - does stand by me after they found out some of the crap Surolan have said isnt true

But aye, the "correct" term might just be acquaintance, but i still consider them friends

Sepora · 05-15-2007, 11:03 AM

Learn how to spell "expectations" correctly.

Kviller · 05-15-2007, 11:45 AM

Constructive post, i must say, Sepora. Spot on, i think you got my point 100%! Good job, your truely an intelligent being, what an asset you are to our planet, EQ2 and this forum. God bless you.

Ajeco · 05-15-2007, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sepora

Learn how to spell "expectations" correctly.

Not everyone is English. And honestly, I've seen worse typos from people whose first language is English.

If you want to flame him, make a new thread. This is about the "super crazy psycho bitch (tm)".

After such an extensive and well writen post, hanging on the misspelling of the word "excpectations" is asinine.

Otis · 05-15-2007, 02:35 PM

Quit guild-hopping and re-apping to guilds you've already left repeatedly. You'll find that'll eliminate about 90% of the drama you described in the OP.

I wouldn't even call this flame "softcore". Softcore's at least good for a semi.

Kviller · 05-15-2007, 02:53 PM

Thx for the advice but i "quit guild hopping" quite some time ago and am now in Unity.

Btw ive already requested LFG to move the post to the splitpaw forum as i didnt see it as a proper flame and not "worthy" of Rate-A-Retard

Anjin · 05-15-2007, 06:44 PM

To shed some light on Angh / Kviller- this is part of his last application to DH:

Why Dark Haven? -

Why Dark Haven? Dark Haven... Ive been in love with this guild from the first day i joined. But as in love, there is sometimes separations and discussions that leads to unfortunat actions, there is nothing i can do about the past, the only thing i can do is come back with a box of chocolate, a bunch of roses and invite you guys to a dinner at Fifteen Restaurant in London. Ive said alot of bad stuff, i know. It is my fault, it is my actions, it is the past. I joined Dark Haven with the highest hopes, and i got disappointed the first weeks i was with you guys, so i left. Not long after i came back with a box of chocolate, kind words, a rose and a ton of begging towards Surolan. And i rejoined, happy to be back amongst friends. But then came a time of darkness. A friend of mine applyed, and i said things that i should not have said and done things that i should not have done. I left. For the sake of my friend. My friend proved to be very ungrateful and gave me nothing back, and i was left with nothing but a broken heart, and the dreams of the guild were i was once a member. I then joined the guild known as Lore along with a few of my friends. Lore was a very green raiding guild that needed alot of fertilizer and help to sprout and become a flower of utmost beauty. I have now been in Lore for a few months, and i feel that i am no longer needed there. I have learned alot throughout the time i have been in Lore, and i know the members of Lore have learned alot. What im trying to say is; im still in love with Dark Haven. I cant get Dark Haven out of my head, everything i do and see i compare to Dark Haven, it is my vision of a pretty much perfect guild.

Anything else you would like to add -

It's not supposed to hurt this much But it could never feel the same again I'm left with nothing but the memory of the way you used to feel. I guess you finally took the deepest cut I guess the blade of my tongue was just too much Every word that i said came from my dark side and now this emptyness is real. You reach beneath the surface more.... So go and leave me with my last regret Let me feel the way you left me dead Too blind to see ..You stole my honesty. I think about the time we've lost I think about the time the silence could be words And now the only sound i hear is my guilty conscience screaming out your name. You reach beneath the surface more.... So go and leave me with my last regret Let me feel the way you left me dead Too blind to see...You stole my honesty. So go and leave me with my last regret Let me feel the way you left me dead Go and steal away my thougths of honesty. Take back everything i said A new place for us to begin Take back everything... Take back everything... Take back everything i said So go and leave me with my last regret Let me feel the way you left me dead Too blind to see...You stole my honesty. So go and leave me with my last regret Let me feel the way you left me dead Steal away my thougths of honesty. - Sevendust - Honesty nuff said

I'd also like to add some of the application comments made by members (I will leave out names - in certain cases):

1. No.

2. No

3. And one more time.

NO.

4. I agree with the Cat!

5. Dunno how much my vote really counts, but if it does... Then no...

6. Just in case all these no's aren't enough, I'd like to add my vote:

No!

7. I liked Angh as a person, but NONONONO, too much drama,
too much deguilding/ leaving etc., no good

8. HUH???

and

WTH WAS THAT???

and

NO WAY, JOSÉ!

9. no, he caused way to much hassle but I think that's decided already

ps. omg the grovelling! does he really think we'll fall for that

10. He was a good person to play with and knew his stuff, and I was one of the people pushing for him to get back in the last time and after getting burned that time, not again. He has left 2 times, first was abrupt, second was with some very pointed words at us over a slight that he perceived but didn't exist.

He is to volatile of a personality to mesh well I believe.

Negative vote from me,we don't need a coercer that badly.

11. no!!!11!!!!one!!1!!!!!!!!!

12. Is it a no then?!

14. Oh god I know what you mean pp....whenever he gets something into his head in the past I would get spammed many many many times a day about it from him...in fact lets do a test in a few secs I will log on....lets see how long it takes him to spam me....
I absolutely vote no to taking him back, but needed to see your points of views before saying mine....btw....mine is

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

15. Angh: "Hey Noir, wanna join an OOB group?"
Noirceur: "Sure, omw."
...
Angh: "Oh, just realized we already have a troub and he's a friend of mine. No point in having another useless buff bot who wants my friend's loot. Cya."
Noirceur: "..."

NO!

And yeah, that conversation really happened when he was still in DH.

16. NO NO NO NO NO

And Finally NO

17. Oh come guys. It has to be a big fat YES! Surely you all mean YES YES YES? What is this guild coming too...

And surely you can all be a bit more definite with you answers... all this sitting of the fence drives me mad

18. I will say no for the same reasons as Janiax.

All those were unique replies to Angh's application (apart from the 1st 3 that were Janiax)

The guy is a complete arsehole. I shouldn't have posted this stuff but tbh, the twat needs to be shown exactly what people think of him - don't blame it on Surolan, blame it on yourself for being such a dickwipe.

Anjin · 05-15-2007, 07:18 PM

Oh, I forgot one from Purplepoet:

13. no, he caused way to much hassle but I think that's decided already

ps. omg the grovelling! does he really think we'll fall for that