I don't see the point of going a full 51 pts in bard for verse of joy for grouping though. Is that different for t2? (probably will never raid, so could care less about that stuff)

I do agree that it is sometimes easy to say that a bard isn't really worth having in the group due to dps output, but factoring in all the buffs to the rest of the group that raises their dps and healing, is definitely something to not scoff at.