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    Default Riftstalker holding AE aggro issue

    I've been leveling an alt up primarily a RS/BD/RNG. I'm 35 now, and it feels like it's becoming increasingly difficult to hold AE aggro. Assuming there is nothing special about the pull (LoS, need to move/turn, or spread ranged mobs), I use shadow blitz and rift disturbance to open, then twinstrike to build combo points, and repeat rift disturbance when it's up, changing targets after each finisher.

    The problem is, I can and do lose aggro to dps or to a healer sometimes. When that happens there is much cursing and spamming of instigate.

    My question is...am I doing it wrong? I've considered changing to planar strike spam for CP, tabbing and using planar switch anytime it's up (which should still be 1.5-2 finishers, considering GCDs and mixing rift disturbance in). Would changing to planar strike/planar switch be better? Does Planar Attraction fix this?
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    Default Re: Riftstalker holding AE aggro issue

    My experience was similar to yours. I found Riftstalker tanking terrible while leveling, but others have said they have had great experiences with it. Now that I'm 50 and tanking T2s (when I REALLY have to) and raid mobs it's not as bad as it was and I do decently.

    I've found what helps with aoe hate comes from dodging and the 'attack back' ability in Bladedancer. When your dodge gets up there you can see it going off like crazy on all the mobs around you, this is something you won't see until you're better geared.

    I do think that planar strike is way better then twin strike. The extra hate component makes it our best combo builder for hate. Another trick for pulling is using Splinter shot from ranger for pulling. Use it and then port in right afterwards, though this doesn't help for aoe encounters.

    Other riftstalkers have said they have 0 issues with aoe hate, but then again most posters in the rogue forums are sorta morons, so I'm not sure what to think. All I can tell you is at 50 it gets a lot better.

    Here's what I do - 1 macro and phantom blow to build combo points.

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    cast reprisal
    cast aoe (can't remember the name atm)
    cast planar strike

    (or something along those lines, not at home to check)
    Then cast one phantom blow per finisher to refresh the stack of buffs (and I start off with phantom blow until your first finisher)

    It's not best, because sometimes your aoe will fire when you don't want it to, but since aoe hate has been an issue in the past I find it best to macro so it always fires when it's up. Also wait to hit your first aoe, I find the range short so make sure the mobs have closed before firing it off.

    I'm probably not 'an expert' in riftstalker tanking though. All I do is tank magic damage mobs in raids when I have to, and I've only tanked about 5 T2s total. If you enjoy tanking, I'd stick with it though. With no block we take more damage per hit on physical damage mobs, but in exchange have way better avoidance... so IMO you're best off with a warrior in the majority of times. However, on a magic damage mob a cleric outright can't do it, and we're far superior to a warrior.

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    Default Re: Riftstalker holding AE aggro issue

    Hmm.. I haven't had any issues and i'm RS/BRD/RNG so I don't have Strike Back or Twinstrike. Sounds like you're probably leaning on Twinstrike too much and you might not be keeping Rift Disturbance on cooldown. Twinstrike has no threat modifier at all it's just dmg.

    Shadow Blitz in, Rift Disturbance on CD, Phantom Blow to 3 stack, Planar Strike spam mixing in a Phantom Blow when it's about to fall off. Keep your finger on the taunt key if someone pulls something off taunt and spam a few Planar Strikes on it.

    Worked 1-50 and tanked three runs of CC last night right before I hit 50 flawlessly.

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    Default Re: Riftstalker holding AE aggro issue

    I was on vacation over the long weekend here in the states, and talked to some RS who are better than me in that time (imo). What you're saying rings true, because apparently Planar Strike generates 5x threat.

    Yesterday first time back still mid 30s I ran KB without using twinstrike at all, and it worked like a dream. Better than before, just swapping targets and burning on CDs like you say.

    I think tonight I'll respec out of BD into BRD and run it a few more times.

    Thanks for the notes.
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    Default Re: Riftstalker holding AE aggro issue

    I am running RS/BD/RNG And only aggro issues I have had was in FC on the Queen at the end. I "think" I have it figured out, but I need to practice with the teleporting stuff using the memory capture/ flashback, taunting, then using shadow blitz AE to get back out once I have the gnar add on me. I couldn't get it down in the 5 mins the group wanted to take on the mob, so we wound up just skipping out of that instance instead of finishing it.

    Spam Rift disturbance every time it pops in an add fight, tab through the mobs and do phantom blow x3 on each mob as you can.

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    Default Re: Riftstalker holding AE aggro issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Serianna View Post
    tab through the mobs and do phantom blow x3 on each mob as you can.
    Think you mean Planar Strike, it's your go to threat. Phantom Blow is used only to keep 3 stack buff up.

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    Default Re: Riftstalker holding AE aggro issue

    Ah yeah forgot that one, wasn't in game when I typed that out a bit ago so was having to go by memory (which sucks this early in the morning) lol.

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    Default Re: Riftstalker holding AE aggro issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Salurto View Post
    What you're saying rings true, because apparently Planar Strike generates 5x threat.

    I think tonight I'll respec out of BD into BRD and run it a few more times.

    Thanks for the notes.
    I don't know about 5x threat, I wouldn't believe any hard numbers unless that person has access to the code. A lot of times someone states a number, and it gets passed around as truth but what someone meant was ... like 5x better!

    I never tested out Rng/Brd, but I can tell you the 'optimal spec' of rng/bd is not good for leveling. I read some forums and switched specs for it, I lost a ton of hps and healers didn't notice much difference on the healing front, but sure missed the extra 1k hps. Really Rift/BD/Rng is a raiding build, where losing 1k hps isn't a big deal because you're going from 13.5 k to 12.5 (like for me now). Going from 10k to 9k hps when I first tried it was terrible.

    I don't know about bard -hit/crit either. I wanted to parse it out to test how good it is but never got a chance. I'm not sure if it's doing anything tbh... crits in raids still do a little bit more damage then regular attacks at ~170 toughness but it's not a big deal so I don't worry about it. The -hit I never figured out... is that a straight miss or dodge? Who knows. Leveling up the -crit should be good. The armor buff from bard could be good to because there's no archon (usually) in a 5 man group.

    To make a long story short - leveling go for hps and avoidance, raiding go for mitigation and rng with their bow attacks. Building up to 3 combo points as soon as you're at the mob to instantly put up your shield on the pull is awesome.

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    Default Re: Riftstalker holding AE aggro issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Iskiab View Post
    I don't know about 5x threat, I wouldn't believe any hard numbers unless that person has access to the code. A lot of times someone states a number, and it gets passed around as truth but what someone meant was ... like 5x better!
    I wouldnt be surprised if it ment 5x threat. Someone did the number crunching for warriors and some of their additional agro ment it was damage x5 in threat. Where 1 damage = 1 threat.

    It wouldnt be hard to test this though. Walk up to a mob, hit it once with Planar strike, and see how much damage a friend has to do to peel off you.

    Keeping in mind that threat isnt lost until someone surpasses you at 110% threat in melee and 130% at ranged.

    Is this 5x also including the 140% threat we get from riftstalker tank stance + buffed up armor buff finisher (Steeled Guard? cant remember the name)

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    Default Re: Riftstalker holding AE aggro issue

    Doing T2s now and switched BRD with BD. Literally don't have Twin Strike on my bars and have zero aggro issues. Got the 40 min speed clear achievement my first T2 in xAP.

    Planar Attraction is a godsend, I use it more everyday. Disruption on cooldown and getting a well aimed shift in at the start is plenty enough threat to keep aggro off full geared DPS. Tab target planar strike if people are splitting DPS, most of the time it's not needed.

    Don't be afraid to burn cooldowns on trash pulls, with BD you have 3 and they're all on short refresh. You will almost always need the CD more on a trash pull than a boss.

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