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    Yeah, they should. Can I get a battle bard build with rotations?

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    Default Re: Are Bards Required in Raids

    Soul Tree Calculator: Bard (36) / Assassin (17) / Bladedancer (13) :: Rift :: ZAM

    Macro:

    #show quick strike
    cast weapon barrage
    cast quick strike
    cast keen strike

    (have to spam macro when appropriate)

    DPS rotation:

    Cadence - macro - macro - deadly strike

    Heal rotation

    Cadence - Cadence - Cadence - deadly strike

    You can also use virtuoso in the heal rotation to spam the heal finisher, but make sure you've recasted your motifs before entering the rotation.

    With that being said... this is what I'm using atm and I'm not happy with it, I've been trying some 40 builds and 44 builds (hardly a difference in dps between the two and the raidwide heal is good) without losing ~100 dps from not specing into assassin. Still haven't come up with something decent.

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    Solid setup. It's pretty much what I use. Bards are not expected to be the healers in the raid, but more of buff and backup healing (That's how my guild looks at it anyway). WIth that said, I tend to be more dps heavy w/ some healing when needed.

    And I agree....i'm still playing with setups.

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    Well as for best dps for bards, messing about this morning, I think this is the best build.

    Soul Tree Calculator: Bard (32) / Assassin (21) / Bladedancer (13) :: Rift :: ZAM

    It's too bad they fixed the Sacred Heirloom of Eth to not proc on leeching poison. I tried it out and 0 procs of the item.

    On test I'm hitting about 820 dps whlie keeping all the motifs up which is pretty decent. A ranged bard is about 400ish and sab-bd is about 1190 to put the number into perspective. With regular gear instead of the raid buffed gear, might be able to hit 1k dps in raids with really good gear.

    I'm going to try it out and run with 2 bard bulids, one 51 point ranged for when that's required and this one for when I can melee. Then use the line of sight trick for fanfare of knowledge on the casters from the 51 point build and switch into this one. Haven't tested to see if it works yet, hopefully it does.

    As much as a mana return is good with verse of joy, I know myself from playing a healer (I usually play healers in MMOs) when you start running out of mana what crosses your mind isn't 'boy I wish I had a mana return' it's 'what the fuck is up with our crappy dps, why isn't this thing dead yet'.

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    Default Re: Are Bards Required in Raids

    lol

    That build is almost exactly what i have. I just don't have Double Cross (I have the extra points into Ambidextrous).

    Is Double Cross worth the points?

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    I think so yea. On the dummy it adds just under 20 dps. It makes puncture go from 104 dps to 123. Might have been a bit of rng, but average hit went from 197 to 245. Maybe the 10% is being applied before the crit? Who knows.

    Anyways, it's worth it. I'm not sure how much of an increase you're seeing from dex though, opporunity costs and all.

    I tried adding precision strike and it's not that hot. It hits for about 1k, which is just a bit higher then backstab and the point cost sucks. I order my abilities so puncture fires first in the macro, and try to always keep it up.

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    Default Re: Are Bards Required in Raids

    Quote Originally Posted by Iskiab View Post
    I think so yea. On the dummy it adds just under 20 dps. It makes puncture go from 104 dps to 123. Might have been a bit of rng, but average hit went from 197 to 245. Maybe the 10% is being applied before the crit? Who knows.

    Anyways, it's worth it. I'm not sure how much of an increase you're seeing from dex though, opporunity costs and all.

    I tried adding precision strike and it's not that hot. It hits for about 1k, which is just a bit higher then backstab and the point cost sucks. I order my abilities so puncture fires first in the macro, and try to always keep it up.
    Same here.

    Guess I'll try it out.

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    Default Re: Are Bards Required in Raids

    I was trying to mess around with a battle bard build as well, and I had 44 points into the Bard because I don't want to lose out on our raid wide heal (I like to have it anytime a huge AE hits like during Hylas's Soul Fracture).

    I haven't gotten a chance to test out the battle bard spec yet in raids, but I was wondering what people's HPS is usually on fights like the Foci, Plutonus, and Herald (just to name a few). I've been running the 51 point bard for all my raids and its been getting a little boring since everything is on farm status lately, so I want to make my experience a little more exciting.

    Thanks in advanced.
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    Default Re: Are Bards Required in Raids

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigruz View Post
    I was trying to mess around with a battle bard build as well, and I had 44 points into the Bard because I don't want to lose out on our raid wide heal (I like to have it anytime a huge AE hits like during Hylas's Soul Fracture).

    I haven't gotten a chance to test out the battle bard spec yet in raids, but I was wondering what people's HPS is usually on fights like the Foci, Plutonus, and Herald (just to name a few). I've been running the 51 point bard for all my raids and its been getting a little boring since everything is on farm status lately, so I want to make my experience a little more exciting.

    Thanks in advanced.
    I posted some in game parses trying out the 36 point variant on the previous page in this thread. I was at about ~600 dps and 900-1k hps. The 32 bard variant should have about the same hps (it won't add much to the aoe healing) but the dps should go up by at least 100.. maybe 200. The parse I posted includes me and a chloro, and I had higher hps then a chloro on a dark foci... which I think is the exception and don't expect that to happen very often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iskiab View Post
    I posted some in game parses trying out the 36 point variant on the previous page in this thread. I was at about ~600 dps and 900-1k hps. The 32 bard variant should have about the same hps (it won't add much to the aoe healing) but the dps should go up by at least 100.. maybe 200. The parse I posted includes me and a chloro, and I had higher hps then a chloro on a dark foci... which I think is the exception and don't expect that to happen very often.
    Ya I've skimmed through this thread (my A-D-D sucks). Thanks for the data. I'll test out my 44 point one this week in raids and post some data along with it.
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