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    Default Re: Bard

    Need heals/cadence to scale with gear so a fresh level 50 cannot bard as well as a full t3 geared bard.

    Motifs need a change as well.

    Virtuoso and Verse of Joy should be switched on the bard tree.

    The Motif of Encouragement should really be changed for something more useful, or moved down in the tree.

    Any other thoughts?
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    Curious, what way does Cadence not scale? For me attack power increased its damage and physical crit increased its crit chance. I'm also pretty sure every thing a bard does is covered by 'physical crit' because the more of that I got the more my heals started critting along with all my abilities.

    Though I also believe good bard play isn't really based on your pure output because its a highly situational awareness class. To measure how well it can perform I think is beyond gear because gear wont make a player switch immediately to other anthems better for a burst moment or stage of a situation, gear wont make a player keep all the songs up, or required songs up, maintain debuffs on all enemies and prioritize when damage is appropriate or when support is appropriate. From what I see a lot of general populace looking at is bard is just playing 5 songs and using some hybrid spec to do as much dps on a bard as they can. It's just my opinion but I think thats completely missing the great function of the games Bard.

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    I agree with Dakkota. Playing a bard you have to be on top of alot of things. IMO gear dosent make the bard, the player deffinently does. Ive been playing a bard for my guild raids for now till we get a full time one, and its a fun class to play while being borring at the same time. I think the only person that can see the bard doing an awesome job is the person playing it.

    I do gotta say though the other night i saved the raid in the last few thousand hit points of Anrak the Foul... It did the spikes of earth bubble thing with one cleric dead one chrolo dead and one cleric up healing and me. I hit Rift, Virtuoso and spamed CoR. That deffinently saved us for that kill.
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    I know gear does not make the bard as situational awareness trumps all, but you can say that for every class in this game since most bosses are so complex.

    But when it comes down to JUST the actual toon, a fresh 50 can be just as good as a full t3 gear bard.

    And a quick test to show how badly the scaling is with any of our bard skills, especially cadence;

    Dummy test:
    1. No buffs need, just spam cadence on the dummy and hit your Coda of Resto
    2. Strip everything off (gear, source engine, trinkets, ya get the deal) and buy two level 10 daggers (so you can actually perform your abilities), and do the same thing as stated above

    Base AP/crit 67/83, and with all my gear I was 592/811 (no buffs at all, just completely natural with my 51bard/8NB/7RS spec). Now seeing how the damage of my cadence only about doubled with a massive increase in AP/crit...that screams loudly that our scaling is horrible.

    And to make sure that our scaling was terrible, I had our guild Chloromancer do the same exact thing, and his results showed that his heals/nukes were complete crap without his gear. Everyone else's scaling highly out performs ours.

    You can do your own testing and let me know what you think. I'm not trying to cry about the bard as I like playing the class, but some changes should be done to make us on par with the other classes of the game.
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    Mages and clerics are a little different though, they get almost double the sp that rogues and wars get becaues of 200+ sp stats on their weapons and totems.

    I do think they didnt scale it well though, I think their intent is to scale it proportionately to healing 5 people.

    One thing I did notice, deadly strike doubles the attack power contribution on cadence. By that I mean in the calculation of the 'doubling' of damage, the ap is included in the doubling so really you're getting double the benefit (I'm going to double check this when I get a chance).

    I also think while 51 bard is nice... you need deadly strike to be competitive as a healer/off-healer. Murderous intent also increases cadence by a full 10% when it procs and you get larger crits from assassin. Since this the bard thread.... putting in my 2 cents that bard-assassin-bd is the way to go.

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    Default Re: Bard

    Anyone here using the Unstable State from NB to increase the damage of non-physical attacks ?

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    Ya for my 51pt I use the Unstable State for the increase.
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    Reposting this from the other thread if this will become the main bard thread.

    Using macros on the motifs will increase dps:

    #show motif of x
    cast motif of x
    startattack or startrangedattack

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    Saw the same post and it adds a decent amount of dps in bard standards.
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