Istar

Sorry I did Not Catch Reading this the last time through ....

So you have 17.5hp, 6300mit and 70%+ avoid .. And you have no clue why your self generated DPS sucks and think its an issue ?

A calculated Guess is that your Specced STR/STA/AGI and your INT is low as hell.. Obviously what gives this away is the 70% avoid that you have. What your not understanding is, all your doing is speccing like a guard with SK spells. Your INT is supposed to be above your STR in stat numbers, which will Give you the in line DPS that most SK's will see. But on the flip side of this wonderful thing, your Avoid will go to shit ...

But on point with the Speccing STR/STA/AGI thing .. I completly agree this is right now the best route to go for tanking for an sk, The gains are to much, the parses show it off clearly and without a doubt it will keep you up longer .. Is it the right thing for an SK ? No

Giralus

Sk's have always had to figure out ways to get things done with less tools for the job , so having to go more CA STR/Agi and lower intell is par for the course. but thru working with what we have available we are able to compete as underpowered class in a single target expansion with poor itemization , Sk's are like fucking Mcgyver, shit we could tank anything with a large table spoon and some baking soda

Sk's broken No, underpowered a bit Yes . normal crappy itemization Check,game mechanics off kilter Check, but atleast some attempts are being made to add in better itemization. and Guardians overpowered is a known issue.

checked against the other tanks besides guardians we arent that far behind, some tweaks and twanks and we all good.

Mikesnow

I run a str/sta/int spec and in tank mode have no issues hitting 8k mit 70%+ avoid and 22khp bolstered. It's all about gear tbh, and alot of it. If you wanna be able to get your avoid up you have to do alot of farming for avoid gear +def, +parry, +parry%, adornments, so our class in general isn't really broken. The broken part is the fact it's easier to do the same thing on other classes. We do get the shaft alot imo on some things the mythical for example, but imo I'd rather be an underpowered class that gets by, and gets some boosts here and there once a year bloodletter for example, then be and OP class that ends up getting nerfed eventually and have to relearn how to play it again, SK are still the same as they were since the gu13 imho, and well we really did need that nerf so. lol It was kinda stupid to run around destroying anything in our paths back then.

We really could use a slight tune up in some areas, but thats really only if they plan on leaveing to op classes as they are. In all my years of playing SOE games everything tends to get brought down to the lowest common denominator, when working towards balance.

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Istar

Umm yeah... Caue literaly the top end equipment is stat heavy, compared to the lower tiers... you not being at that point, would pretty much mean you suck lol...

Do people not actually know the different tiers of gear thats going on with the game ? The discussion wasnt omg I can't take VP class gear and balance it out with avoidence to make my role at all.. Personally i have no gripes with VP class set...

My thing is anything below it has no comparison and this is well known.. Give me a str/sta/int + 50-58% avoid spec consisting of T3 and below.. HOw many variations can you put on that set to accomodate the drops rates and players and so forth ?

What the regular players want is just a progression route which is not there, due to lack of itimization.

Darkwarrior

Uhm wouldn't mean you suck...

regular players do u mean..what solo player? group player? raid player? Solo/group players can get very nice gear and yeah itemization is an issue but that doesn't mean the items are not out there, just less of it for crusaders...but it's still out there. Sure it'll take time but a crusader can get str/sta/int non-raid gear and still have near or over 50% avoidance. Just have to keep going through the quests that give the nice legendary pieces or the faction legendary pieces, instance gear, RE2, and I'm pretty sure the new instance coming out will have some nice drops as well. Just because some piece of armor or jewelry might be a drop from VP, doesn't mean it might be better than some instance stuff or even lower tier 1 raid stuff.

Mike is right the class isn't generally broken, sure it's "Easier" to do the same stuff on another tank class, but crusaders have to work harder or have a harder time itemizing their gear but...end result they can do the same stuff. I keep repeating myself, crusaders are not an easy class to play you need to really understand and study em, which is what makes em one of the most fun classes to play because it's not "easy mode" if some of our own sk's in this community are complaining and don't want to bother understanding and studying the class properly then roll and easy mode tank? You'll do the same thing(tanking) just differently and easier.

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Istar

Ehh ? umm yeah .... look if you don't have a clue whats out there, just say it ... skip the nonsense speeches please lol ...

If your going STR/STA/INT direction . VP class suit is the only one out there that sports this and good levels. Demonguard/sanct is not cutting it since it focuses on all stats from some messed up dev view.

so anything lower the that tier obviously is going to be pick and piece together.. WHich makes jarseth Quests popular for the helm and boots. Thing is defense, we can try to piece crafting with it aka Devout / emblazoned but the avoidence end suffers, since realy there isn't any.. all pieces that does focus on parry/defense is highly STR/STA/AGI stat oriented /cough blood chitin ... and the like.. Even in mid tier raiding ...

as said alot reasoning we are doing well after everything is said and done in raiding top end /aka farming top end loot, not entereing into it. is due A. the class set, B. the jewlry is being set up for multiple classes and the stats are high, without to much restrictions. Hence you will get your avoid lvls up at the same time.

The gap between this, is much desired and can be handled better.

Geniusz

not sure what this "crusdaers" arent an easy class to play.
Paladins get it fookin easy, /amends /defensive /afk after the first taunt
SK have to work for it, pally dont, at all

reason why there is no itemization for Sk orientated gear outside of raids.... no one wants an SK to tank unless they guilded with one lol

Mikesnow

With the exception of Assassins, not many folks would use a full set of any of their sets tbh, theres to much better gear out there to be wasting gear slots for crappy set bonuses. There are several nice items that I still use for tanking roles, not all are even t8 items, For instance the +parry ring from chel drake, theres a nice wrist from court of korukust or whatever in chardok with parry and def, and ear from the queen in chardok with parry and defense, and also a trash dropped wrist with parry and def in there as well. the cloak from re2 is pretty amazing, and the wrist/finger item if not adorned can be swapped around to boost avoid as well. The green dragon shield from the gimpd ass severllious in kj has one of the best shields in game, throw adornments on all that crap and your set on avoid, should be close to 60% with 0 raid gear items. So once again i say it just takes some research and farming to get your items, but it can be done, and pretty damn easy now i would think since they nerfed all those grp zones.

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Geniusz

its not that there arent defensive items hanging around, theres a stupidly large pile of them. Its that until you have a VP geared top end SK, your survivability is shit, and your agro generation is terrible, and no one but guildies who can vouch for your ability to not be shit want you ;p

Vinladia

Sorry, your way off there bud...

Any SK that plays this game should be specc'ed Str/Sta/Int. Why on earth would you pass up 10% hate gain, 10% faster everything, DA, and 68% spell crit? And of course have a mirror spec with Wisdom line for fearless, pretty damn helpful for VS and OTing the adds on Druushk.

With my normal raid set OT or MT group I believe I run like 780'ss on Int in Offensive. Much less in Def of course but that is how I get 71% avoidance.

And Iskar if you want to look, my Eq2 profile isnt blocked, so you can see what my spec is....


After reading this post again, including everyone's post after the original, why did you title this "Just my Thougts on Being an Sk"? Your agrument seems to be about the subclass set gear of Sancuary or Demonguard. If you are a "raiding" SK the only item from either of those sets that I could see using would be the chest because of the +5 Shield Block chance. Maaayybe the helm or legs for the stats of dps'ing only, not tanking.

Picking and piecing the gear together is the way of the game, there is never going to be a complete end all be all 7/7 set gear that our class is going to want. Even VP, the highest end raid SK's only wear the 5/7 pieces to get the x2 Bloodletter, they sub the Demonguard chest piece and the last expansion's Avatar boots.

My gear is picked and pieced together from T1-T4 gear, and it seems to work very well for me, whether I am tanking or dps'ing.

I realize that our class needs some Dev help, and that itemization, class abilities and over all tank/dps needs some work compared to other tanking classes. But I think the stigma of SK's sucking, has more to do with the person playing the class than it does the class itself.

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