palantiri

found this in pally thread, guess we'll see the same change in weapon dmg

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k3...nsive_lvl4.jpg

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k3.../defensive.jpg

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Pitty

Yeah thats defensive stance, I'd expect to do less dmg in defensive.

That would be the 0.5 melee multiuplier reduction

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Corvinos

this look pretty promising. It also sounds like you wont loose too much hate even though you do less dps in def stance, but will compensate for it with more aggro tools (and the +hate on hit from def stance sounds sweet). I also like the idea of all taunts becoming detaunts when in off stance, thats pretty cool :-)

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Kiljoi

SK is starting to look pretty good atm.

Questions -
How do you guys feel you do on picking up multiple adds at once in raid situation?
Is it easy for you... do you spam everything ya got and fall short?... Would you call yourself the premiere aoe OT/MT?
Hows survivability?

lol thx in advance for your time.

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evilastro

Having a look around I think we got one of the better deals out of all the tanks. Also note that the hate proc in defensive is off 'any successful attack' so it will also proc off spells, which is useful when our hit rate goes to shit in defensive. The offensive stance procs off melee like unholy always has. 1k threat every time we get hit is a bit crazy but im not complaining.

curuw

oting is great, aggro rarely is a problem
"long term survivability" is a bit lower than berserkers but with sk furor, aura of the crusader we are can be invunerable for almost 30 sec
hateful respite often comes in handy too

it is possible to mt the new content but guardians have the advantages of surviveability on their side, oting and doing dps when possible is much more fun anyways

evilastro

Not really the right thread to be discussing whether its worth betraying, but yeah we have no issues picking up adds or aoe tanking.

Deule

Has anybody looked into how the merging of our self buffs into our stances has been affected by our current AAs and gear. Example VP and TSO fabled legs, the crusader AA to increase damage of unholy strike, etc. Would be curious to know and since I am at work no way to log into test.

Deule

Oh another question that has been brewing here. How do you guys feel about the offensive stance, turning our taunts (which now are tied to quite a few of our dps spells/CAs) into detaunts, this seems quite overboard. Basically is offensive stance as a whole going to become useless unless of course there are 3+ plate tanks in a raid and you are not set up to be the immediate OT. I will admit it is nice for if you are trying to run a pure dps build, but what tank in their right mind would want that, and why would a raid want to bring extra tanks for dps?

Somebody brought up the idea of running no stance and I can see us running this instead of offensive stance just for the fact we can ride higher on the hate meter. Now this is going to sound crazy, but because SOE is telling us pretty much you can choose one way or the other I think DPS for fighters needs to be increased so they can fill a dps roll more closely if this is the intention with offensive stance.

I know, I know, our DPS is descent at the moment...but for those of you that actually run with any kind of good T1 dps you know for a fact that our numbers are way way behind thiers. They are putting out 14k+ while we put out 8k. No I don't want to be a DPS class, but if SOE is going to make it damn near impossible to ride the hate meter in Offensive stance than there is not going to be much use for it for those of us that currently raid, because we have the job of tanking. Same with anybody grouping, pretty much Defensive stance or no stance.

I know I am already thinking of ways to make myself more defensive now since I have always been a player that balanced a lot of DPS with my SK. Sounds like hate will be cake in defensive, so I guess I might as well make myself the rock like a Guard for when I am needed to pick stuff up or OT.

Xalir

Don't taunt while in offense, problem solved