sventrax

heya i have read the AA post but i was not able to a find a complete list of talents tso included.
id like to have a template optimal for tanking, i have a lot of ???? in my mind about tso talents.
got 200 AA.

crusader:

str:4-4-8-6-2
agi-4-4-8
sta: 4-4-6
int:4-4-7

they are ok?
wiating for SK and SHADOW suggests.

thanks all guys!
:D

Druuna

FUCK AE AUTO ATTACK

DA is better, because
1. if you're a MT (raids) you have at least 25k hps, so DA absorbs everything below 12.5k ( most attacks against you )
2. Furor is good, but because most of the mobs have strikethrough, they can still hit you, even with it active.

keldo

This is what I use:




Some potential wierd stuff:
-5 in Food because I am cheap? I dunno
- 8 in hate gain, I wouldn't use this if you are OT
- I also agree that DA > AA auto, mirror it tho
- Siphon from the shaman dog
- 5 AA for an extra 1.2% base raidwide, pariahs vs spite vs this is a wash, so I figure 1.2% base is highest potential. Don't have threat issues.
- 5 in rescue because snaps are useful

sventrax

keld i have to thank you,best explain ever :D
and im cheap too hahahahah so i totally agree with ya :PP

Mezelline

The only real AA debate for SKs is getting AE auto attack (by shorting your crits a bit) or getting DA.

I tend to fall into the DA camp because lord knows we already have enough AE aggro. Once you get your HP high enough DA becomes useful, its nice to have a 2nd furor running. In some ways DA is superior to furor because it can absorb spell-based damage, whereas furor only works against autoattack. Plus I don't like taking points out of crits to get the full 40% AE auto.

I can see the AE auto being useful in single group instances, but the only TSO raid encounter I've ran into so far where I think it would be useful is Gynok. If there wasn't a need to keep a fearless spec in the AA mirror I'd keep an AE auto spec in there, but I've found more encounters where fearless is helpful than AE auto being helpful.

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Druuna

ewwww, points in tso death march?

Sciomar

Kuja, Death March definitely needs no enhancement, it generates enough hate on it's own. Better off putting those points into the harm touch or malice enhancement.

And on the riposte AA, have you actually checked how often and for how much dmg you riposte...it's pretty sad for sk's. I'd throw those points into something else like rescue or pariah's.

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weechoo

Points into rescue? Why? We have enough snaps IMHO. I've never once went "Oh boy, too bad all of my snap aggros are down now I'm screwed" but I'm just an OT.
And another DA/Trample on the mirror. Just depends on what I'm doing. Its nice to have the extra oh shit button

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Sciomar

Anything is better than the riposte AA, I simply offered options...would you prefer I said something more like, "You're an idiot if you don't have the points in pariahs and battle hardening"?

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