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    Default Re: What has this country come to?

    Who decides what's fair? Rush Limbaugh?
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    Well, since the last 18 years has almost exclusively been liberals with the exception of a few years of success with a right leaning congress, I'd even take Rush's view over a liberal. Not that I like him at all. Thanks to the left we're sitting in the worse condition that this country could imagine since the Great Depression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laodaron View Post
    LOL so you feel like being a liberal gives you rights to oppress conservatives? To force them into living in fear?

    And I'm glad you can think of 2 examples of conservatives asking for PC be applied in return, when in fact conservatives threatened with it on a regular basis. One of the more recent is every conservative that has spoken about Obama's politics being called a racist by liberals. I hear it and see it on a regular basis. Conservatives are tired of living in fear of how the liberals might utilize toe government to oppress more peoples than they already do.
    How is publicly accusing someone of racism "utilizing the government" to oppress someone?

    What is the government's involvement and how are they being oppressed? Give an example if you can because I have absolutely no clue what the fuck you're talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pouncer View Post
    You'd figure conservatives would be glad to see a company having the right to be unpatriotic. But NOW they want government to intervene into the affairs of business, huh?
    Quote Originally Posted by Laodaron View Post
    Nope, they don't want big government getting into this situation at all. And that includes PC implied threats that would force a business to stand against any flag being presented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icKx View Post
    The dirty little truth is that "free" markets are more proficient at bleaching "traditional values" from the public sphere than the ACLU or any liberal plot could ever be.
    I can trace practically any modern crisis to government interference. Pick a subject.

    Quote Originally Posted by icKx View Post
    The point is that in a truly "free" market nothing is sacred. Paradoxically; not even freedom.
    Are you just making this shit up? You talk like bribery and coercion are the natural friend of free markets rather than the statism you keep trying to peddle here. At some point the people in power have to stick to the plan, otherwise it isn't the plan anymore, stan!

    Quote Originally Posted by Pouncer View Post
    You'd figure conservatives would be glad to see a company having the right to be unpatriotic. But NOW they want government to intervene into the affairs of business, huh?
    In this case, the business gets to decide for itself about the flag, and the soldier gets to decide where he works. And the market gets to decide if it matters. I'm less afraid about the outcome if everything is left to its own equilibrium, than you are about maybe not winning a gotcha in light of Obama's overshadowing incompetence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illuminator View Post
    I can trace practically any modern crisis to government interference. Pick a subject.
    Not sure what that has to do with the comment you quoted, but playing six degrees of government separation isn't particularly difficult or impressive.

    Are you just making this shit up? You talk like bribery and coercion are the natural friend of free markets rather than the statism you keep trying to peddle here. At some point the people in power have to stick to the plan, otherwise it isn't the plan anymore, stan!
    I'm sure you'd prefer it were I a statist.

    The "free" market has no "natural friend[s]" save that which is profitable. Though it does have a "natural" tendency of consolidation and concentration, and therein lies the freedom paradox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illuminator View Post
    I'm less afraid about the outcome if everything is left to its own equilibrium, than you are about maybe not winning a gotcha in light of Obama's overshadowing incompetence.
    WTF does any of this have to do with Obama? You need to get over this obsession you have with him. He won the election, the people have spoken, stop your crying already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by icKx View Post
    Not sure what that has to do with the comment you quoted, but playing six degrees of government separation isn't particularly difficult or impressive.
    Then why defend big government: because you're evil or because you're a moron?

    Quote Originally Posted by icKx View Post
    The "free" market has no "natural friend[s]" save that which is profitable.
    And what makes something profitable? Ever stop to wonder?

    Quote Originally Posted by icKx View Post
    Though it does have a "natural" tendency of consolidation and concentration, and therein lies the freedom paradox.
    It has a natural tendency of evening out, which is why you have gigantic middle classes and a fringe of lazy fucks and early adopters. The consolidation and concentration only become a problem when government gets involved and secures their position with regulations that smaller entities can't handle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pouncer View Post
    WTF does any of this have to do with Obama? You need to get over this obsession you have with him. He won the election, the people have spoken, stop your crying already.
    He got there by lying and the people haven't yet begun to speak about that.

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    Oh noes a politician lied! Let's impeach him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Illuminator View Post
    Then why defend big government: because you're evil or because you're a moron?
    What you find most distasteful about my politics isn't related to ideology but rather that I'm not easily pinned down by these types of weak generalizations.

    And what makes something profitable? Ever stop to wonder?
    Sure I have, and the source of surplus value has nothing to do with macro concepts like demand. The answer is found in "the hidden abode of production."

    It has a natural tendency of evening out, which is why you have gigantic middle classes and a fringe of lazy fucks and early adopters. The consolidation and concentration only become a problem when government gets involved and secures their position with regulations that smaller entities can't handle.
    The economic "middle class" that you speak of has only existed for 50 years or so and has its genesis in the struggles of organized labor not any "natural" market forces. It's an artificial creation that only existed because labor gave birth to powerful institutions that supported it. If current trends continue the "middle class" could very well prove to be a historical aberration.

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