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    No, it cannot be saved. Seriously, study up on ponzi schemes. Eventually, some generation is going to the centerpiece in the SS bukake party. The best you can hope for is that it won't collapse in your lifetime. Also, I notice you didn't argue that changing the agreement by raising the age was a chickenshit bitch move.

    BTW, people working longer would not be a problem for the social ponzi scheme. I think you're getting your talking points confused.

    Exponential was probably not the correct word for me to use, but it requires increasing growth rates. In other words, if there were 10 people in the first generation, and 20 people in the second generation, only having 25 in the third generation will cause it to go bust. that's what we're seeing now with the baby boomers retiring. That's why people have been sounding the warning bells about SS for well over a decade. They saw the writing on the wall. While we have more taxpayers than we did 10 or 20 years ago, the growth rate has dipped.

    Edit: What are you calling a voucher system in regards to SS? You keep saying that, and school vouchers are the only vouchers I'm aware of anyone trying to get done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoss View Post
    You keep saying that, and school vouchers are the only vouchers I'm aware of anyone trying to get done.
    I think he's confused. Far as I remember, SS was never a voucher system however, the Paul Ryan budget calls for changing medicare to one. Still wouldn't be a reversion as far as I know since it never was one.
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    I believe that it was Ryan's plan that mentioned vouchers instead of Medicare...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deson View Post
    I think he's confused. Far as I remember, SS was never a voucher system however, the Paul Ryan budget calls for changing medicare to one. Still wouldn't be a reversion as far as I know since it never was one.
    No you're right. I was confused for a moment over the medicare/SS thing. Although medicare is obviously deeply tied to SS, it isn't the same thing. Even then the voucher program for medicare is still all bad.

    As to SS, they've been saying for a while now it won't work because of the fact that they are opposed to gradually raising the age. Will it suck for those who thought they were going to retire at 55 and draw benefits? Yes. But the alternative is to have it simply fail. There are many problems and I won't even pretend to have all the answers and solutions.

    However I know the problem won't be solved by intractable differences and refusal to compromise on anything, and sadly enough that seems to be the format of the republican party right now, is burn it all down until it breaks or you get your way.

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    Its too bad the republicans can't just be short sighted like the democrats and live in bliss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundaarr View Post
    Although medicare is obviously deeply tied to SS
    Explain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thundaarr View Post
    However I know the problem won't be solved by intractable differences and refusal to compromise on anything, and sadly enough that seems to be the format of the republican party right now, is burn it all down until it breaks or you get your way.
    Given what Dems came up with in 2009 and 2010, you might want to balance that statement some.
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    Phew...well I am relieved. Romney discussed his Healthcare Reform plans with Leno last night and as long as you have consistantly been covered by insurance you can't be denied coverage for preexisting conditions...so no one need worry EXCEPT those who have NOT been consistantly covered because the company you worked for didn't offer insurance or you were laid off and weren't able to continue under COPRA due to the cost or because the COPRA extensions ran out...so yeah...Romney has it covered.

    Oh and all of you who are over 21 and under 26 and still on your parents plan..start saving your money.
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    What was more expensive? Paying for COBRA, paying for your illness out of pocket, or paying for a completely different insurance plan? It seems to me when someone says they had to drop insurance because it was too expensive, that's just another way of saying they chose to pay for health care out of pocket. It's not like obamacare fixed that, you're still going to be forced to either buy the insurance or pay a tax. the only thing it changed is that now there's a gun to your head and you can't make the choice to pay out of pocket.

    You know insurance is also available independent of your employer right? Join some club and use them. I'm 99% sure i can get health insurance from the NRA, IEEE, and ISA if i needed it. You might wanna check with AARP.
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    LOL once I'm on Medicare, I will get the AARP supplimental for sure but I've got 15 more years before that is an option.

    WE have insurance but I know I have mentioned before the issues and costs involved when we had to go the COPRA route and once that was no longer an option being self insured and the costs involved due to my husbands prostate cancer when he was 45 (over $1000 a month) SO so far we have managed to BE continually insured so my husbands health record hasn't been an issur other than the costs. When you are out of work and have the usual bills etc, $1000 a month for insurance isn't always an option for people.
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    i understand its hard. What I'm saying is, what's more expensive? the $1000 for insurance, or paying for everything out of pocket? Or were you contemplating making a decision to let him die? unless I missed something, under obamacare, you still have that $1000 insurance bill, or you pay it to the government. Was there a provision that out of work people didn't have to pay the tax?
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