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    Quote Originally Posted by Daedalus View Post
    Seriously, I refuse to believe that these are things that Crabbok is "genuinely" interested about, yet couldn't be bothered to look up himself.
    It's the same thing he did with his last set of questions. I refuse to believe genuinely interested parties ask questions in such a manner after the early 20's.
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    LOL, the "I'm getting owned, but I'll pretend that I owned you in my mind" (anti)logic isn't going to work here.
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    You want to know whats pathetic? Casuals shitheads like you who deliver nothing to the gaming industry but an autistic sense of self worth and imaginary authority over things they know nothing about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velvetrose View Post
    Yaknow...I don't really care...I bow down to your superior knowledge because you have oh so much more experience living in a Communistic Society than I do.
    No need to get all defensive. I realize that reading Marx and political economy in general is a huge drag and most people don't care enough to.

    I still maintain that Communism doesn't work/won't work because people are materialistic by nature and as soon as you show me a prosperous Communistic Government that ISN'T repressive, I will believe you.
    I would probably counter that the individual's material possessions and Marxism are not at all at odds with one another and basing one's conception of human nature on the past fifty years of American supercapitalism is dubious philosophizing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daedalus View Post
    Seriously, I refuse to believe that these are things that Crabbok is "genuinely" interested about, yet couldn't be bothered to look up himself.
    I thought that until he said he had no idea how the state of israel had been formed.
    It's only weird if it doesn't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deson View Post
    It's the same thing he did with his last set of questions. I refuse to believe genuinely interested parties ask questions in such a manner after the early 20's.
    So he's trolling.

    I'll bite anyways.

    1) Power. The bigger fish eats the smaller fish in the pond.

    2) Access. That and the fact that its a Judaic island in a sea of Islam. Islamic law is pretty close to the opposite of our bill of rights.
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    Default Re: 2 Political questions

    Wasn't trolling, and I did ask my history Professor about Communism last night, but the point of it all is that you can't get all your information from just 1 or 2 sources. There are plenty of people here with a wealth of knowledge and I was looking for many different viewpoints. Believe it or not I hold this community in pretty high regard when it comes to looking for answers. You guys are my flame-o-pedia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deson View Post
    It's the same thing he did with his last set of questions. I refuse to believe genuinely interested parties ask questions in such a manner after the early 20's.
    Theres the problem in the post above. He's like your typical 19 year old in college learning for he first time that the world exists outside of his bubble.

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    Unfortunately most people in the US are living in a bubble, all age groups, not just college kids. Its sad when people care more about sports or toys or entertainment then they do about what their government is doing with their tax dollars and debt.

    Keeping the bewildered herd bewildered.

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    Living in a bubble has nothing to do with it. Every US citizen could pick up Chomsky tomorrow and little would change. Truth alone will set no one free.

    What's sad to me is watching people who claim to know better sit in front of the computer being cynical and doing shit all.

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    Actually the US style democracy gives less rights to people than communism does. Yeah, you sort-of have some rights, but you lack the basic human rights for survival. For example in communist Yugoslavia we had the rights for:

    - free education (including universities)
    - free health care
    - guaranteed jobs

    Which are all more important than freedom of speech. Because you can speak as much as you want you'll still die if your basic needs are not met. Capitalism is in fact a ruthless system that really benefits the top 1% and does not benefit the rest at all. However it does sound nice to people because they live under the illusion that they too have a chance at becoming the top 1% (or their kids, grandkids, etc). Also democracy in itself is an illusion. You can't really chose a person that will represent you in any way. You have a small circle of people who you can chose from.

    The reason communism failed (and would fail again if someone would be nuts enough to try to implement it in a country) has nothing to do with human rights or even fairness of the system.

    PS: What I really liked in communism is the harsh punishments for bullcrap like religion, people who claimed to have magic powers, fake healers and other useless crap that are present in societies.
    Lófasz a kurva anyád rohadt seggébe te kibaszott dög. :14:

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    I could be wrong here, but I'd argue that it's inaccurate to say that Capitalism doesn't benefit the bottom 99%.

    I mean just look at the quality of life for "Poor" people in America. Most poor people will have a phone, a television, probably a computer, and probably internet access, A car, and access to public facilities like parks, libraries, beaches, etc. Now look back 40 years to what your average poor person had and you can make a case for the incentives of technological advancement, inventions, and overall progress. I'd say the top 1% are actually helping contribute to our society more than most people give them credit for. This may not be the "perfect" system, but I'd argue that if you simply took all the nation's money put it into a pile and gave every citizen $10,000 (or whatever) you wouldn't see even close to as much progress anymore.

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