Tuna

What Mareth said.

Contesteds are a joke since they're not about skill but mostly about who can field a raid force earlier. So the guild with the highest playtimes wins.

Apart from that our website says "A Splitpaw Raiding Guild". Don't see the word "hardcore" in there. Maybe it's in the guild recruitment tool in game, though but seriously... compared to most other guilds we probably are hardcore.

Ary

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Tuna

I call bullshit Faraw. I've seen EoF contesteds die within 30 mins after pop at 1pm to 5pm.
I've prolly seen most of your Avatar kills and we never had a raid force there cause it wasn't during our regular raid times. Sure, there were exceptions (Mayong mostly I think) but it happened often enough.

Another thing is: You killed those Avatars over and over again so they weren't even a challenge while we'd have needed time to learn them.
So basically to get a few pulls we would have needed a full raid force around 1-2 hours before you have one.
How do you even do that if most stuff died within 30 mins to 1 hour at the end of EoF?

Ary

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Muraha

If you say the only difference between hardcore and semi-hardcore is that semi-hardcore don't raid outside their normal raiding times then I think you have holy grail in the wrong category. We should be classed as semi-HC too.

Tuna

Maybe it's about skill, too. Haven't seen you in VP, yet.

So I guess the semi-hardcore guilds are just as min/max'ing as the hardcore guilds but have set raid times. We have the same pace and about the same dps as hardcore guilds.
The only thing that seperates us from a real hardcore guild is willingness to log in outside of raid times.

The things that separate us from a casual raid guild like Holy Grail are a lot more. I think Zormik once said that he'd love to take along a few casual peeps on a Unity raid so they could see the pace and dedication.

I've been in a few casual raid guilds and even though the atmosphere was nice in most of them the raid pace was so omgslow that it makes you fall asleep if you're used to a semi-hardcore guild.
It's so incredibly different it isn't even funny anymore. Same goes for the amount of slack.

Just take Holy Grail as an example. As far as I know you have quite a few people who'd never make the trial in Validus but you choose to raid with them.

Ary

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Mirdo

Well, if you're quoting Zormik, he did also say 'In guilds like validus and unity the focus is raiding above anything else' so we could pop that into the definition too for a semi-hardcore guild - the guild focus is on raiding above all else.

We have plenty of guilds on RE that raid to a pretty strict 2 or 3 session week. I doubt they would describe themselves as semi-hardcore as their guilds aren't designed and focessed around raiding. Raiding is something they do to experience more aspects of the game.

Tuna

Quoting yourself is stupid but I just wanted to clarify that saying "never" was nonsense of course. But it happened a lot.

Ary

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Mirdo

Skill is a tricky one and difficult to quantify. I know for a fact that there are one or two guilds on RE that, on average, pretty much match the skill of some of the semi-hardcore guilds. The only things holding them back are lower playtimes and raid turn outs because they have no attendance policies. It brings us back to the statement regarding the 'focus of the guild being raiding above all else'.

Also, not sure about you guys, but in Remnant, when we need to fill a raid spot, the person coming in is usually from a casual raid guild. Many have decent skill and have found the time to play more or decide they want to focus their time in-game on raiding. We've also found people in very casual guilds with incredibly high skill levels.

Zormik

Really with all due respect (and i mean that).

The difference is huge just like aryane (or dispatched ) said above, i've been in all kinds of guilds in eq2 and the difference between hc and semi-hardcore isn't that huge as the difference between semi-hc and the family raidingguilds. The pace, the dedication, the kind of players. It's another league.

Just one question, how long does it take for you to clear PR?

Another example, unity was able to clear EH in one raiding day (our sunday, wich is from 6CET until 12 CET). I would like to see any other guild do that that isn't classified as semi-hardcore or hardcore, hell even now in T8 it won't be easy to do that for most guilds.

The differences are:

- the roster is purely build for having the best raidteam. NO way you get in a raiding guild if your class isn't needed and you don't play your class to his full potential. (Semi) hc do everything to protect a perfect raidforce.

- recruits get a trial, if they pass they get full membership, if they're not good enough, sorry, nice guy or not, you'll be booted from the guild.

- members most of the time are very much into min/maxing. They know their class inside out and know the techie aspects of the game quite well.

- agenda: don't know any semi hardcore guild that would raid less then 4/5 days a week.

- minimum attendance: if you drop below 60 or 75% attendance and you stay below that for a while you will get booted from the guild.

- dkp: that speaks for itself.

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Mareth

Players in casual guilds can be as good as everyone else. It's having 24 of them working together well with a great leader that makes a big difference

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Zormik

Aye, casual guilds have great players too but there it's more of a rarity. Having 24 of them is what makes the difference. Most casual guilds only have a few of those on their raids.

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