Orochan

Made kuz I was bored, hopefully it'll help some melee DPS classes out or suttin. All numbers on right side are with the 33% FORCED DELAY in affect. I used the delays from most of the weapons I had on me and from most of the high end raiding weapons, basically any weapon a swash would use haha. If I missed a delay or if you want one added, please say so and it will be done.

Also if I made any mistakes and you catch them, please feel free to point them out, no use in giving out info if it's wrong.


Haste for a 4 second delay weapon
4secs | 5.3secs
10% = 3.6 | 10% = 4.8
20% = 3.3 | 20% = 4.4
30% = 3.1 | 30% = 4.1
40% = 2.8 | 40% = 3.8
50% = 2.6 | 50% = 3.5
60% = 2.5 | 60% = 3.3
70% = 2.4 | 70% = 3.1
80% = 2.2 | 80% = 2.9
90% = 2.1 | 90% = 2.8
100% = 2 | 100% = 2.7
110% = 1.9 | 110% = 2.5
120% = 1.8 | 120% = 2.4
125% = 1.8 | 125% = 2.4
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Haste for a 3 second delay weapon
3secs | 4secs
10% = 2.7 | 10% = 3.6
20% = 2.5 | 20% = 3.3
30% = 2.3 | 30% = 3.1
40% = 2.1 | 40% = 2.8
50% = 2 | 50% = 2.7
60% = 1.9 | 60% = 2.5
70% = 1.8 | 70% = 2.4
80% = 1.6 | 80% = 2.2
90% = 1.6 | 90% = 2.1
100% = 1.5 | 100% = 2
110% = 1.4 | 110% = 1.9
120% = 1.4 | 120% = 1.8
125% = 1.3 | 125% = 1.7
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Haste for a 2.5 second delay weapon
2.5secs | 3.3secs
10% = 2.3 | 10% = 3
20% = 2.1 | 20% = 2.8
30% = 1.9 | 30% = 2.5
40% = 1.8 | 40% = 2.4
50% = 1.7 | 50% = 2.2
60% = 1.6 | 60% = 2.1
70% = 1.5 | 70% = 1.9
80% = 1.4 | 80% = 1.8
90% = 1.3 | 90% = 1.7
100% = 1.3 | 100% = 1.7
110% = 1.2 | 110% = 1.6
120% = 1.2 | 120% = 1.5
125% = 1.1 | 125% = 1.5
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Haste for a 2 second delay weapon
2secs | 2.7secs
10% = 1.8 | 10% = 2.5
20% = 1.7 | 20% = 2.3
30% = 1.5 | 30% = 2.1
40% = 1.4 | 40% = 1.9
50% = 1.3 | 50% = 1.8
60% = 1.3 | 60% = 1.7
70% = 1.2 | 70% = 1.6
80% = 1.1 | 80% = 1.5
90% = 1.1 | 90% = 1.4
100% = 1 | 100% = 1.4
110% = 1 | 110% = 1.3
120% = .9 | 120% = 1.2
125% = .8 | 125% = 1.2
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Haste for a 1.9 second delay weapon
1.9secs | 2.5secs
10% = 1.7 | 10% = 2.3
20% = 1.6 | 20% = 2.1
30% = 1.5 | 30% = 1.9
40% = 1.4 | 40% = 1.8
50% = 1.3 | 50% = 1.7
60% = 1.2 | 60% = 1.6
70% = 1.1 | 70% = 1.5
80% = 1.1 | 80% = 1.4
90% = 1 | 90% = 1.3
100% = 1 | 100% = 1.3
110% = .9 | 110% = 1.2
120% = .9 | 120% = 1.2
125% = .8 | 125% = 1.1
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Haste for a 1.6 second delay weapon
1.6secs | 2.1secs
10% = 1.5 | 10% = 1.9
20% = 1.3 | 20% = 1.8
30% = 1.2 | 30% = 1.6
40% = 1.1 | 40% = 1.5
50% = 1.1 | 50% = 1.4
60% = 1 | 60% = 1.3
70% = .9 | 70% = 1.2
80% = .9 | 80% = 1.2
90% = .8 | 90% = 1.1
100% = .8 | 100% = 1.1
110% = .8 | 110% = 1
120% = .7 | 120% = 1
125% = .7 | 125% = .9
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Haste for a 1.3 second delay weapon
1.3secs | 1.7secs
10% = 1.2 | 10% = 1.5
20% = 1.1 | 20% = 1.4
30% = 1 | 30% = 1.3
40% = .9 | 40% = 1.2
50% = .9 | 50% = 1.1
60% = .8 | 60% = 1.1
70% = .8 | 70% = 1
80% = .7 | 80% = .9
90% = .7 | 90% = .9
100% = .7 | 100% = .9
110% = .6 | 110% = .8
120% = .6 | 120% = .8
125% = .6 | 125% = .8
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Haste for a 1.2 second delay weapon
1.2secs | 1.6secs
10% = 1.1 | 10% = 1.5
20% = 1 | 20% = 1.3
30% = .9 | 30% = 1.2
40% = .9 | 40% = 1.1
50% = .8 | 50% = 1.1
60% = .8 | 60% = 1
70% = .7 | 70% = .9
80% = .7 | 80% = .9
90% = .6 | 90% = .8
100% = .6 | 100% = .8
110% = .6 | 110% = .8
120% = .5 | 120% = .7
125% = .5 | 125% = .7
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Haste for a 1 second delay weapon (Note that technically one second weapons actually can reach .4 sec delay, but .5 seconds is the CAP on how fast weapons can be.)
1sec | 1.3secs
10% = .9 | 10% = 1.2
20% = .8 | 20% = 1.1
30% = .8 | 30% = 1
40% = .7 | 40% = .9
50% = .7 | 50% = .9
60% = .6 | 60% = .8
70% = .6 | 70% = .8
80% = .6 | 80% = .7
90% = .5 | 90% = .7
100% = .5 | 100% = .7
110% = .5 | 110% = .6
120% = .5 | 120% = .6
125% = .4 | 125% = .6
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hmm So what ya guys think bout this 33% delay? IMHO I think it's a bit too steep for my taste, seems like i'll be going back to str/wis again haha.

Also I plan to do the DPS version of this chart with weapons most raiding swashies would use, just have a little more patience haha.

Sorry if this has been done/posted before.

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Popsi

nice tx, beats doing /weap ^^

Orochan

As it turns out, there is in fact no cap on weapon delay, I thought there was, because well I just always assumed .5 was the max one could get. ( I never actually live tested a one second weapon until just now.)

But heh, you know what they say about assuming haha.

Anyways here's the pic from my test tonight.

Sorry for the bad information guys





^ Taken from my post on the brig forums.

Again sorry for the bad info.

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Somban

Thanks Orochan! That was a great post. The million dollar question...

What is the formula used to derive weapon delay and how does haste fit into it? It's obviously a non-linear function by your samples above. If you plug it into Excel, the approximating functions look far more complicated than I think it actually is.

In much the same way, dps effects the min/max of a weapon. What would be the approximate function for that, and how is "Base Damage" in the /weapon calculated?

I wish I could just look at the code that runs on the server when I type /weapon - that would answer a lot of questions.

Thanks again,
Somban

Orochan

Bump and update w/ Anaphylaxis' delay.

4.5secs | 6 secs
10% = 4.1 | 10% = 5.5
20% = 3.8 | 20% = 5
30% = 3.5 | 30% = 4.6
40% = 3.2| 40% = 4.3
50% = 3| 50% = 4
60% = 2.8 | 60% = 3.8
70% = 2.6| 70% = 3.5
80% = 2.5 | 80% = 3.3
90% = 2.4 | 90% = 3.2
100% = 2.3 | 100% = 3
110% = 2.1 | 110% = 2.9
120% = 2 | 120% = 2.7
125% = 2 | 125% = 2.6

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Padrich

quick question about the numbers... Are you basing the % of haste you get from mousing over the haste mod number? Or just using the haste mob number and tacking a % sign on the end... Because having a 30 haste MOD gives you an actual 33% haste which, would null the agreed steep +33% added delay for DWing...

Have run many many test on this and from time to time when I get a new weapon I'll slap it on and go wis spec for a raid to see how I parse comapred to Dwing...

30 haste is incredibly easy to get. Many items that will allow you to reach this number which I personally think is the golden number. And this is why.

Using Sailwind:
With a 30 haste mod (33%) and using two 4.0 delay weapons your auto attack will do it's own things and you do not have to time CA's... At least from what i've seen and tested. The reason this happens is because 4.0 is a multiple of .8 which is the sum of every CA cast time, and recovery time of 0.4seconds. So you can spam you're CA's and every 5 as long as there is absolutely no delay between CA's your auto attack on both weapons goes off BEFORE the next qued CA will cast.

Without sailwind this is the same thing but every 4 CA's

If someone has more information on this than i do and I've mistaken anything here please feel free to correct. I ran all these test right after they added the 33% delay towards the end of EoF and have since reformatted and lost all ACT logs that i had saved on this.

Orochan

The haste values are a straight % so 20% haste is 20% haste. In game however your right, in order to match up to my chart ( or w/e you wanna call it ) you can't just match up what the number says. In other words if your haste mod says 29, your actual haste % is 32% in game, so match it up that way.

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Padrich

Thanks bro. I caught onto it after a second look, but was just making sure. And also hoping to clear any confusion for newbie swash's looking for some help

Great chart by the way. Thanks a bunch for tossing this up and keeping it updated LOL. Way easier to see it typed out then having to check for every change made. lol