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Old 03-06-2008, 06:36 PM  
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Default Re: Fencing w/ Mythical

The question only really matters for lower tier raiders whenever they eventually get their mythicals. People that currently have them can kill (or before too long will kill) avatars and will eventually get their hands on the crit chest item, which essentially invalidates the argument. Once you hit 108-110 crit (easy with a +50% proc), additional crits become worthless and it makes more sense to put points back into DA and use 2 weapons. It won't be hard to get DA up over 32 (the obvious switch-over point) since DA is not normalized and you get 68 from the wis line. Beyond 32, you are effectively just throwing away DPS by keeping a single wield, as dual-wielding with the possibility of an offhand hit and procs directly from that weapon's initial hit + 2 possible double attacks (one from each weapon) per round of swings on identically delayed weapons will start to outshine it quickly.

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Old 03-06-2008, 07:02 PM  
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Has the crit robe dropped from the new avatars?
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Old 03-06-2008, 07:04 PM  
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Old 03-06-2008, 07:15 PM  
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Honestly, they better formulate a plan for re-working the wis-line because it will be undoubtedly 100% worthless for hardcore rogues at the end of this expansion, and it will be worthless for everyone else not long into the next expansion.
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Old 03-06-2008, 10:18 PM  
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30% chance to flurry, anyone ?
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Old 03-06-2008, 10:53 PM  
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Getting a crit robe on PvP servers isn't something you can depend on. ;) Although it is possible I guess.
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Old 03-06-2008, 11:09 PM  
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Even with Pinski's numbers (which are close to my own) I'd still rather have 80% mc and 30% da fencing with the mythical's extra 20% dmg against 60% mc and 50% da dw. And I'm not going on like it is teir 7, dw is better than fencing 99.999% of the time even when using the mythical with enough double attack.
Ya I guess I was under the assumption you were trying to say wis line > DW, so my fault for that, but yes as mendabar said the crit robe/BP changes everything, but then again it's all about if that BP drops for you, so I guess your gonna see a lot of rogues praying haha.

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Old 03-11-2008, 01:08 PM  
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I am curious if anyone who has the Mythical has tried the sta line for the dps mod. With all the DA and Crit available I am curious if taking the DPS mod instead of the DW (slower attack rate and a weapon with a much lower dps rating) could compare.

There is a nice scout shield with another dps mod plus the adornments would put you at 87 or so sustained dps. probably works out to be 75% or so more do base AA damage with diminishing returns starting to kick in.
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Old 03-11-2008, 04:42 PM  
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Considering that my swash is at 61 dps rating duel wield, 33 from items and another 28 from ring proc, the returns are already starting to diminish. Unbuffed (being the best possible scenario for sta) you'd be lucky to see 20% more base weapon dmg with sta. This is compared to the wis line's 68% bonus. The major reason wis was so viable back in the day was because you couldn't get double attack any other way and it stacked with everything else.

So, in short, nope STA line isn't a viable "dps" spec, even with the mythical.

... Oh here's bright idea to make wis viable again ... reinstate procs on double attacks while fencing. IE: +68% to procs, hurricane, inspiration, poison ect.

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