Insight

Paeto · 04-01-2008, 05:58 AM

So, I was wondering how you guys are using insight? I've tried many different combinations of swapping to fast weapons/spamming CAs/just auto attacking but I can't seem to get any consistent results.

Is there a perfect setup to get a huge number of hit like in KoS with RHotHP or is that no longer possible?

master_kaos · 04-01-2008, 10:41 AM

In raiding, I activate On Guard and Insight when the Brigand dispatches and the dirge casts chimes.

For solo / single groups without a dirge, I'll use it on named, or when we get adds, or whenever it comes up... so basically whenever.

I basically completely spam all my CAs.
But will leave a quick pause between every 3rd one for an auto attack to get off.

Rooksarii · 04-01-2008, 12:43 PM

Ditto on what Master does. Group wise, I reserve it just for tight situations and/or boss/named encounters. I keep max time decrease on it with my group/solo spec for sure...toyed with building it into my raid spec, but I like to keep debuffs maxed as it is. I get more use out of it with CAs then I would with too much auto attacking. I sometimes just let it fly every time its up if I am comfortable enough to assume we won't have trouble within the 2ish minutes it takes to refresh. Definately a "burn" art for me as I consider it part and parcel tied to on guard, though I hesitate to put them on a macro together just to be safe.

Orochan · 04-01-2008, 01:40 PM

For fights with 2-3 mobs or more, switch to the fastest weapon you have and just let it rip for 13 secs, for single target mobs just spam CA's.

Mizou · 04-01-2008, 03:43 PM

long cast time, needs to be timed good with auto attack , while active i dont care what i do i just dont spam long casting stuff that would suck

5-7 hits only each time but high peak dps while that so who cares about insight last , my main damage is avant ye + poison + on guard , on guard is used 1 sec before pull to get maximum cas into the 32s.

just dont use insight when u have no clue what u are doing, maybe u should then try a bit arround and find into your class :P

Padrich · 04-01-2008, 05:50 PM

Pretty much do the same thing everyones mentioning above. On raid nameds I'll pop off ruthless cunning and perfect finese right before pull then as named is incoming toss off on gaurd and finish it off with insight to get HUGE peak DPS right at the begining then can usually work On gaurd and insight in again sometimes 3 times for longer fights like Nexona...

I always try to time on gaurd insight combo with our dirges Chimes calls. Depending on group set-up or how much haste I have I go either way... Spamming fast cast CAs, or just sitting back for at least the 13 seconds of insight.

On group encounters with 3 or more mobs. On gaurd and insight on incoming and then as tank is grabbing aggro our shorter cast aoe > befuddle > letting it rip.

Helspeth · 04-01-2008, 06:21 PM

This is not KOS anymore tho. I've hard time believing that auto-atttack with a fast weapon will do more dmg than mashing buttons with your primary weap and here's why.. :

Back in KOS, Right Hand of the High Priestess was uber cause it was 1sec delay. It was good till ± the end of eof when they started realising much better better with a much better dmg range, etc. Then in EoF, there was barely no fast weapon, if there was any, the damage you were getting off them was such a joke it'd be a shame to use them.

And now.... well since EoF imo... the damage you get from auto-attacking + inspiration (+Hurricane) is way less than what you get from mashing buttons with 2 good weaps... Cause you get good dmg from auto-attacked (as opposed to fast weapon) and you get the extra dmg from CA'S. + Insight proc off CA's and melee so....

What I do? I mash buttons! (TBH, if group mob i start with insight and queue Dashing Swathe or Ploy so that auto-attack kicks right in after and then i start mashing buttons and I use on guard before insight.)

Orochan · 04-01-2008, 09:01 PM

The only reason you should not mash buttons on group encounters is because CA's do not proc hurricane, and losing out on hurricane w/ insight on is losing out on a huge chunk of dps. Swashy CA's do not do enough damage to make up for the loss of hurricane procs imo. Again though this is only on group encounters.

Arkarius · 04-01-2008, 09:50 PM

For maximum DPS potential I find don't let them interfere with auto attack or CA casting, ie prebuff on the pull just time it right.

Padrich · 04-02-2008, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Arkarius

For maximum DPS potential I find don't let them interfere with auto attack or CA casting, ie prebuff on the pull just time it right.

essentially what I was saying and to take it a step further even on group encounters, just time CA's while insights up to get both CA's to proc it. And auto attack with hurricane. Not that hard. And as mentioned in another thread, timing CA's to auto attack is incredibly easy. And for the most part no effort is even needed. 2-3 ca's barely pause... .4 seconds.. can you count that? then a couple more. or if you have massive haste mod... 1 ca, again pause .4 sec.. (can you really count that yet) another Ca.. LOL not hard to get max advantage of insight from every angle.