Tyger

I would really, really like to get the Finger Boneguard Rapier from Befallen1 as an offhand, so I run it whenever possible. Instead, a series of exquisites have netted me two Swash masters that are useless and near useless, respectively. The first, the lamentable SoH, I scribed a) simply because it's hard to even find someone stupid enough to buy it and b) they might actually fix it someday and make me wish I had it. If I thought I could get more than 9p for it I would have brokered it immediately.

After looting Blame Blade M1 yesterday, I asked on the global channel if I should sell or scribe, which got me a few chuckles and some serious looks of consternation. After I briefly tried to explain myself someone asked how much DPS plat does. They were obviously missing the point, but it was funny. It takes a bit more explanation than I really wanted to do in a channel, so I decided to move the conversation over here.

Basically, if I had every single master that was available on my server broker and 400 plat in the bank, I wouldn't ask, I would just scribe anything that came my way. However, I don't have that luxury, so I have to make choices. Right now, I have several masters, but my main goal is my offensive stance, which is running right at 200p on my server. So that means I have to do math, which is what most people won't do. Which is I what I was hoping to avoid by quickly asking the global channel 'sell or scribe?'

Doing a bit of math, the damage delta on Blame Blade is less than 10% between Adept III (which I already have) and M1 at my self-buffed STR (which is about 1050, I think). M1 adds nothing else to the CA. No more hate, no longer duration, no higher resistability. Looking at a few parses Blame Blade does less than 1% of my DPS at around 30 ext DPS. Triple Blades, conversely, regularly does 60 ext DPS and sometimes as high as 90. I bought the M1 for Triple Blades for 40p. Last night I sold the Blame Blade M1 for 80p - 100p (can't remember exaclty what I listed it for, I just see on ZAM that it sold). So for 80p I could have gained 3 DPS. Seriously. In a good AoE zone like Befallen1, I get a good 90-100 DPS from Lucky Whirl and I also bought that M1 for around 40p.

The proc from my offensive stance regularly also does 60 ext DPS. So, if I can improve that by 10% and get the improved skills from the stance, then I'm happy I sold Blame Blade and put the money toward my offensive stance.

What would you have done?

logix

If your so concerned with getting your offensive stance, run Varsoon everyday until you get it. By scribing the cheap masters you will get your stance sooner since he is smart loot. Or do what anyone else does and go farm KC, 200p is not alot of money espicially for a class like ours which is extremely easy to solo in KC. No excuses, scribe every master you get, every little bit helps.

Edit: When you got those masters in befallen im assuming you needed since they were for you, selling them would make you a douchebag since anyone else could have sold them as well.

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Stray

In your position? I'd quit the game and never go beyond pac man again.

Helspeth

Yah so i didnt read all you post and you're a fuckin moron. Scribe or quit, as Stray said. Why do you play this game? to make fake money or to be as best as you can??? Scribe the fuckin master and farm to get money like everybody else.

DUDE! its so easy to make money!! Farm, craft, group, buy them if you want!

Now GTFO...

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Tyger

Ok, so just doing a quick tally, I have 1 vote of scribe every master you see, 1 vote of quit and play Pac-man and 1 vote of you are a fucking moron with a suggestion to also quit.

I realize this is EQ2Flames, but does every forum discourage analyzing the game, or just the one for swashies? I've seen a few good posts here breaking down stats, but in three answers on this thread no support for you answer, just abuse?

While waiting for an answer to this post, I happened to take a look at the parses thread and it just convinced me that I made the right choice. The parses, whether they were 9K, 6K or 4K were in line with my results for this CA.

Again, with unlimited (or virtually unlimited) money, there's no reason to think about this. I'm not in that position. Nor can I farm KC solo (I did try actually; I can make it past the first two sentries, which surprised me a little bit, but can't take a named). However, it doesn't obviate the question. For every person, at some stage of their progression, they have to make a choice between A or B. I stand by my decision that Blame Blade is a very poor upgrade from Adept III to M1 and if you are in a position to do, the value from that is much better applied elsewhere.

At some stage of the game, get every master was good advice. That isn't true any more. If you don't believe me, look at the parses thread again. I have about half my masters right now and I've been seeking them out in order. I will continue to do so. Going back to KC, for instance, having every single one of my masters for this tier wouldn't allow me to solo KC when I cannot now.

All other things being equal, Magi's Second Sight is probably a much better upgrade than many masters. It might be better than any master, I don't know. I don't have the luxury of parsing that one. However, on that score, I won't be investing, since it will be changing at some point in the future anyway.

Oh, and...

Dude, I totally would, but there's no one to sibor with over there.

Menk

That IS true, expecially at this stage.
What I would do next time - and what I did already - is use your limited cash to buy all those minor masters that usually go for 10 P no matter the dps they produce, because any boss in instances has a 30% chance to drop a smartloot Master, Varsoon has 100% chance, so if you bought your SoH / taunt /snare before running befallen you would probably get 2 valuable masters instead of trash.
You can not farm KC? it's not the only way to do money and it also requires some gear

Stray

You are missing the point. Your post reads like you want to be as uber as possible, while spending as little effort or time as possible. You are over simplifying your game to be about plat and dps in a way that is seriously offending to others who DO put in an effort.

1) Most swashies will scribe any master they can get their hands on, no exception.
2) SoH works. You just dont know how to use it.
3) Blame blade is not worthless. It greatly increases hate gain to the tank for a short period. Stating you only need masters for DPS is <decided not to write it>.
4) You are so over-emphasizing plat gain that its becoming painful to read.

Now start putting in an effort. Stop worrying about your offensive stance and learn how to play your toon. Read the forums (and not just the top 3 threads) before before asking questions that will get your flamed down to your shoelaces.

Tyger

Ok, well Menk gets it, at least.

???

Is there something wrong with this? I want to earn what I get but I don't want to put in massive effort and then squander it. IRL I work hard to earn my money. When I spend it, I do so wisely.

Start a thread with the title "Who wants to grind through the game and then be pathetic" and see how many responses you get.

Let me use Logix' example of Varsoon. Let's say we decided to run Varsoon every day for 30 days and every one in our 6 man group needs 5 masters just to make it easy. Day 1 Blame Blade drops and, using my own particular brand of douchebaggery, I need it then subsequently broker it.

Now, using that plat, I buy Triple Blades M1 and Lucky Whirl M1. So A) we only have to run Varsoon 28 more times instead of 29 because I now need 3 masters instead of 4 and B) I am putting out 2.5 times more "extra" DPS with those two masters than I would have with Blame Blade M1, so the tank is actually getting more than the equivalent hate gain and we are finishing the zone faster because I'm doing more DPS (ostensibly, the difference is actually neglible).

So, who is offended by my over-simplifying? Is everyone in your world still 'upset' that I put in as little effort as possible? Figuring out how a game ticks is what makes it fun for me. If you want to charge through and take it as it comes, fine, play that way. But don't flame me as a moron when I'm the one applying thought and skill to my game rather than just trying to acquire all the gear I possibly can and blindly listening to what people said about the game 3 expansions ago.

There's numerous threads here and on the official forums, some of them 16 pages. The split seems to be roughly 80/20 against this CA being useful. Sorry, but you are in the minority here. Maybe I just don't know how to use it. Maybe everyone else doesn't either. Personally I really don't need another deaggro and would really like anything else for my level 80 CA.

The CA greatly increases hate gain for the next person the mob hits. Who needs to learn to play their class? Blame Blade isn't really broken like SoH, but I've (very recently, actually) suggested that the CA be changed to be selective for fighters. However, I think it should actually be positional, now that I've given it more thought, since people do actually tank with a swash, even outside of raids.

I chose a utility DPS class for a reason and if you ever read my posts you will see that I'm actually against the strong DPS bint the game has taken recently and I'm glad the upcoming update is going to change that. I've had more than one tank compliment me on my ability to do more than DPS.

Flame away, brother. Just try to back up your shit before you open your mouth next time. I said absolutely nothing about plat gain. My point was about choosing which CAs would most benefit me here and now. At least Helspeth admitted he didn't read my post.

logix

What entitles you to need it then sell it? The other 5 members of your group could potentially do the same thing and make the same benefits, I never said that selling a master isn't profitable. I outlined that needing on a master that you don't plan to use makes you a tool imo.

In a perfect world where you can sell the mediocre master for enough money to buy 2 of your more important masters? It would take someone with less intelligence than you to buy your Blame Blade (Master I) for enough money to get both of those. You note getting the zone done faster because your doing more dps, I thought you said you frowned on swashbucklers doing decent dps? You want to increase YOUR dps, but bring down the rest of swashbuckler dps in the game?

A good rule of thumb, the more effort you apply the better the rewards. If you think that you've invested more 'thought and time' into this game then the people primarily on these forums you are sadly mistaken. Thinking that we just acquire gear with our limitless amount of money and that in turn makes us do more dps then you need to re-evalute your evaluation skills. The people that make detailed posts on here have taken an indepth look into the game and it's mechanics to push our class to the limit. You are the one talking about not even being able to solo mobs in KC, yet you think your on par with the better players on this forum. Read these forums and take in as much information as possible. Everyone gets flamed being new to the forums because they ask dumb questions, thats how you learn.

Learn to do some worthwhile dps and you will need it.

The upcoming update isn't going to 'drop' our DPS as much as your thinking. Please enlighten me on what ability was complimented by the random PUG tank. Was it your amazing ability to put hate transfer on him? Was it how great you debuff the mobs since all of your attacks are debuffs? Did you magically mezz an add that he got from a bad pull? Did you hit that 1 button to AE avoid your entire group? Please, teach me your ways.

My point was that every little bit helps, if you were so graced as to have a master drop that you need. Just take it and scribe it. Beggers can't be choosers. And your greedy as fuck to think because it's a master for YOUR class your entitled to need it then sell it for your advantage.

P.S- Solo'ing in KC is easy, you can do it with a fabled epic and T2 shard gear easily. Heres a tip, train past the first room and bridge and all but 1 mob will leash, you can stealth to any name from there in. Masters and plat won't help your 'skill' if you cant solo in KC now you have alot of reading to do on these forums.

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NicolasKL

You think the type of person for whom the Finger Boneguard Rapier is a big upgrade is going to have the gear required to solo KC extremely easily, or is going to find it extremely easy to get groups for Varsoon?