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Old 06-09-2009, 10:38 PM  
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Ok, so Im getting geared up for raiding and have had a hard time finding a good offhand. Finally finished off Greenmist and have that. Tonight we decided to do just a money run in PR and I got Segmented Serrator. Which one is better? Greenmist procs and has +3 MC which I know is fantastic. Obviously Segmented has better base DMG and +8 slashing. Im sure this will be quick advice so thanks in advance.

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Old 06-09-2009, 11:36 PM  
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progress with using the serrator, these are just my opinions. if anyone else says otherwise, good for you...

newho. once you get into it more, TRY for Lifespike from SoH, if you guys are progressing slow or w/e , idk your raiding situation. but if yer all in TSO etc etc.. go for Ethereal Sabre, then idk, i just want the strategist field Dagger from YiS... but yeah im using the Ethereal Sabre atm from Absotalias or w/e it's name is. Slashing is ideal for the OH, but if piercing is all you can find as an upgrade, just go for it. the key is the delay mostly, but in raiding all are about the same , 4.0 seconds on all the popular ones at least :P.

last word of advice, push buttons to make things die! works ok for me D:
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Slashing is ideal for the OH, but if piercing is all you can find as an upgrade, just go for it.
3 Best off hands in the game are piercing!

also to be helpful Big spreads = win
Big spreads and Proc = even more win
Big spreads, Proc and good melee stats = awesome sauce
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Old 06-10-2009, 02:36 PM  
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(Changed based on corrections I received)

Regarding Min/Max damage and Crits:

First, please know that a critical auto attack hit always hits for the (max dmg+1) of your weapon or CA.

Compared non-crit average weapon damage, a critical auto attack hit gives a bonus that is dependent on the ratio between the Max and the Min damage of your weapon.

A crit hit has a chance to hit for anywhere in between (max dmg+1) and (max dmg+1 + the crit bonus %). These numbers can be averaged into the bonus percentages below.

Razor sharp sabre, Ethereal Sabre, Meat Cleaver all have the same Low vs High dmg ratio (~5.6). This means that the bonus (the % that is added to the non-crit average weapon damage) you get from a crit hit, is for every weapon the same (weapon damage increase = about 77%, assuming a 100% crit rate)

Higher ratios make the crit bonus higher. This means that for the weapons above, you should look at the max damage in combination with the procs and the stats.

LifeSpike actually has a low ratio.. but the proc makes it a very nice weapon.

A crit hit with a CA always gives a 30% bonus on the (max damage +1) of the CA.

The CRIT BONUS STAT that has been introduced with TSO, is a different animal from what I described above. It applies an extra % bonus to the critical hit damage, as a whole. So a Crit bonus of 10 adds 10% extra damage to the crit hit (assuming its stat behaves in a linear way).








The autoattack damage coming out of all this can be multiplied further by having
  • a high dps rating (200 --> +125% = x2.25)
  • a high haste rating (200 --> +125% = x2.25)
  • a high DA rating (100 --> +100% = x2)
(Assuming these max rates are still valid, they may be slightly off but I guess you get the point)

I left the STR stat out of the equation since this is usually capped anyway.

I hope I explained it sorta clearly. Please correct (keep correcting) me when I made any mistakes. This stuff can become complicated

PS: Weapon Damage Rating =
(Low Dmg + High Dmg) / Delay

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Old 06-11-2009, 01:20 PM  
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Lifespike is insanely easy to get, get that.
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Old 06-12-2009, 04:45 AM  
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Lifespike is ftl. In RoK I swapped it out for the Doomblade off Venril.
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Old 06-13-2009, 01:29 AM  
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Lifespike is ftl. In RoK I swapped it out for the Doomblade off Venril.
You are ftl.
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Old 06-13-2009, 05:21 AM  
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Doomblade had a bigger spread and a proc that parsed better...
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lifespike is a POS not gunna lie
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Old 06-13-2009, 11:41 AM  
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The difference between these weapons (Doomblade, Lifespike, Razor Sharp sabre and even the Meat Cleaver) is all pretty marginal. Get any of these. Not even worth the discussion until you can get a really better one

(e.g. Ethereal Sabre of the Voidbeast, Empowered Talon of Milyex, Strategist's field dagger, etc).


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