Shackleton1

Every CA apart from AEs. Dashing Swathe is going to delay an attack pretty much no matter what you do
But if what I said above is correct, then that will affect autoattack as follows. First number is the displayed delay. Second number is the effective delay. Third number is a relative %.
0.5 = 0.5 (100%)
0.6 = 1.0 (167%)
0.7 = 1.0 (143%)
0.8 = 1.0 (125%)
0.9 = 1.0 (111%)
1.0 = 1.0 (100%)
1.1 = 1.2 (109%)
1.2 = 1.33 (111%)
1.3 = 1.5 (115%)
1.4 = 1.5 (107%)
1.5 = 1.5 (100%)
1.6 = 2.0 (125%)
1.7 = 2.0 (118%)
1.8 = 2.0 (111%)
1.9 = 2.0 (105%)
2.0 = 2.0 (100%)

Some of those delays the difference is huge. Others, it's so small (because it's further divided by the proportion of your damage that's actually autoattack, and divided again by the proportion of your time that you really are spamming CAs) that I think it's questionable whether it's worth it. You have to weigh it against that you will be losing a small amount of CA damage and it will take you slightly longer to get your debuffs in.

Unless of course autoattack and CA interact in some different way.

Evalin

You do not swing during recovery time. Auto Attack gets queue to just after recovery time ends.

Pinski

Completely incorrect. Recovery time is a global cooldown for abilities. You still will swing during recovery time.

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Evalin

We've had this argument before. It's been proven with Dragoon's Reflex that you don't swing during recovery time. I just parsed some test cases to prove it.

Dragoon's Reflexes
Target Self
Power 66
Casting 0.25 seconds
Recovery 12.0 seconds
Duration 12.0 seconds
Effects:
Caster will Parry 100% of incoming attacks
Prevents AoE (except when direct)

Name: Pine Dagger
Base Damage: 8 - 24
Actual Damage: 21 - 63
Actual Delay: 1.0
Proc Percent: 3.7%
Procs Per Minute: 1.8

Dragoon's Reflex was queued up just after Unerring Strike
Crush was queued up just after Dragoon's Reflex.

(1184715178)[Tue Jul 17 1958 2007] YOU try to pierce a plated digger, but a plated digger parries.
(1184715179)[Tue Jul 17 1959 2007] YOU hit a plated digger for 45 piercing damage.
(1184715179)[Tue Jul 17 1959 2007] a plated digger hits YOU for 108 crushing damage.
(1184715180)[Tue Jul 17 19:33:00 2007] YOU try to pierce a plated digger with Unerring Strike, but a plated digger parries.
(1184715180)[Tue Jul 17 19:33:00 2007] YOU try to pierce a plated digger, but a plated digger parries.
(1184715182)[Tue Jul 17 19:33:02 2007] a plated digger tries to crush YOU, but YOU parry.
(1184715185)[Tue Jul 17 19:33:05 2007] a plated digger tries to crush YOU, but YOU parry.
(1184715187)[Tue Jul 17 19:33:07 2007] a plated digger tries to crush YOU, but YOU parry.
(1184715190)[Tue Jul 17 19:33:10 2007] a plated digger tries to crush YOU, but YOU parry.
(1184715192)[Tue Jul 17 19:33:12 2007] a plated digger tries to crush YOU, but YOU parry.
(1184715193)[Tue Jul 17 19:33:13 2007] YOU hit a plated digger for 50 piercing damage.
(1184715193)[Tue Jul 17 19:33:13 2007] YOU try to crush a plated digger with Crush, but a plated digger parries.
(1184715194)[Tue Jul 17 19:33:14 2007] YOU try to pierce a plated digger, but a plated digger deflects.
(1184715194)[Tue Jul 17 19:33:14 2007] a plated digger tries to crush YOU, but YOU block.
(1184715195)[Tue Jul 17 19:33:15 2007] YOU try to pierce a plated digger, but a plated digger parries.

Another example using longer delay CAs
Taunting Assault (2s cast), then Topple(2s cast), then Dragoon's Reflexes then Dragon Spin(1s cast)

(1184716836)[Tue Jul 17 20:00:36 2007] YOU hit a plated digger for 55 piercing damage.
(1184716837)[Tue Jul 17 20:00:37 2007] YOU hit a plated digger for 27 piercing damage.
(1184716837)[Tue Jul 17 20:00:37 2007] a plated digger hits YOU for 108 crushing damage.
(1184716839)[Tue Jul 17 20:00:39 2007] YOUR Taunting Assault hits a plated digger for 151 piercing damage.
(1184716840)[Tue Jul 17 20:00:40 2007] a plated digger tries to crush YOU, but misses.
(1184716840)[Tue Jul 17 20:00:40 2007] YOU hit a plated digger for 39 piercing damage.
(1184716842)[Tue Jul 17 20:00:42 2007] YOUR Topple hits a plated digger for 347 piercing damage.
(1184716842)[Tue Jul 17 20:00:42 2007] a plated digger tries to crush YOU, but misses.
(1184716843)[Tue Jul 17 20:00:43 2007] YOU try to pierce a plated digger, but a plated digger parries.
(1184716845)[Tue Jul 17 20:00:45 2007] a plated digger tries to crush YOU, but YOU parry.
(1184716847)[Tue Jul 17 20:00:47 2007] a plated digger tries to crush YOU, but YOU parry.
(1184716850)[Tue Jul 17 20:00:50 2007] a plated digger tries to crush YOU, but YOU parry.
(1184716852)[Tue Jul 17 20:00:52 2007] a plated digger tries to crush YOU, but YOU parry.
(1184716855)[Tue Jul 17 20:00:55 2007] a plated digger tries to crush YOU, but YOU parry.
(1184716855)[Tue Jul 17 20:00:55 2007] YOU hit a plated digger for 39 piercing damage.
(1184716856)[Tue Jul 17 20:00:56 2007] YOU try to pierce a plated digger with Dragoon Spin, but a plated digger parries.
(1184716856)[Tue Jul 17 20:00:56 2007] YOU try to pierce a plated digger, but miss.

Note that I swing at 00:37 before Taunting Assault and then at 00:40 after Taunting Assault even though its a 2 second casting time.

Here is another example and the swing is delayed after all 3 CAs

(1184718159)[Tue Jul 17 2039 2007] YOU try to pierce an asp, but miss.
(1184718160)[Tue Jul 17 2040 2007] an asp's Surprise Bite hits YOU for 81 piercing damage.
(1184718160)[Tue Jul 17 2040 2007] an asp tries to pierce YOU, but YOU parry.
(1184718161)[Tue Jul 17 2041 2007] YOU try to pierce an asp with Topple, but an asp parries.
(1184718162)[Tue Jul 17 2042 2007] YOU hit an asp for 30 piercing damage.
(1184718163)[Tue Jul 17 2043 2007] an asp hits YOU for 126 piercing damage.
(1184718164)[Tue Jul 17 2044 2007] YOUR Taunting Assault hits an asp for 205 piercing damage.
(1184718165)[Tue Jul 17 2045 2007] YOU hit an asp for 63 piercing damage.
(1184718165)[Tue Jul 17 2045 2007] an asp tries to pierce YOU, but YOU parry.
(1184718168)[Tue Jul 17 2048 2007] an asp tries to pierce YOU, but YOU parry.
(1184718170)[Tue Jul 17 2050 2007] an asp tries to pierce YOU, but YOU parry.
(1184718173)[Tue Jul 17 2053 2007] an asp tries to pierce YOU with Venomous Bite, but YOU parry.
(1184718174)[Tue Jul 17 2054 2007] an asp tries to pierce YOU, but YOU parry.
(1184718176)[Tue Jul 17 2056 2007] an asp tries to pierce YOU, but YOU parry.
(1184718177)[Tue Jul 17 2057 2007] YOU hit an asp for 54 piercing damage.
(1184718177)[Tue Jul 17 2057 2007] You feel a ward of security come over you.
(1184718178)[Tue Jul 17 2058 2007] YOU try to pierce an asp with Dragoon Spin, but an asp parries.
(1184718179)[Tue Jul 17 2059 2007] YOU try to pierce an asp, but an asp parries.

Care to prove me wrong?

Pinski

It's also been proven that if you read the description of Dragoon's Reflexes that it says you won't auto-attack during the period, so obviously the spell is also dazing you!

I've shown parses where my SK was chain-casting and still swung between auto-attacks. So obviously that's Dragoon Reflexes doing that, not anything else.

I mean, you should just go and try it, chain CAs on a solo mob and tell me if you get auto-attacks, because on all my characters I do.

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Evalin

Pinski, you might be in an Uber guild and you might know a lot of things but in this one case you don't know what you are talking about. Yes you do auto attack when CA chaining but NOT during recovery. The CA chaining mechanic is that you will auto attack between the end of recovery and start of the next CA and my parses even show that because I was chaining the CAs and it still delayed the weapon swings. Topple and Taunting Assault are both 2 second casting time and 0.5 second recovery. With the 1 second delay weapon if you are correct it should always hit in the same second that the CA lands but as in this parse it does not.

(1184718159)[Tue Jul 17 2039 2007] YOU try to pierce an asp, but miss.
(1184718161)[Tue Jul 17 2041 2007] YOU try to pierce an asp with Topple, but an asp parries.
(1184718162)[Tue Jul 17 2042 2007] YOU hit an asp for 30 piercing damage.
(1184718163)[Tue Jul 17 2043 2007] an asp hits YOU for 126 piercing damage.
(1184718164)[Tue Jul 17 2044 2007] YOUR Taunting Assault hits an asp for 205 piercing damage.
(1184718165)[Tue Jul 17 2045 2007] YOU hit an asp for 63 piercing damage.

The Warriors have also proved it when AGI/Int speced. Relentless assault reduces their recovery time by 30% and it shows in the parse that they only can't attack for 9.23 seconds instead of the full 12. If it was a daze it would have shown up in the effects and it would have lasted the full 12 seconds. Unfortunately, I can't give you a parse with my alt since I don't have enougth aas to do it.

Ktza

Timing CA's is what makes the difference between a good swashy and a great one.


Usually i have a dirge templar assassin defiler guard- not the best group ever for a swashy but it doesnt stop me putting out some sick dps (gimme a zerker and coercers and my dps on ae fights has most ppl in the guild calling for the nerf bat- 4k on sarik for example)

Other than timing ur CA's (find a good song with alot of base to play while fighting )

My tips would be to try not to cast any self buffs while in combat apart from inspiration.

Cast ur haste/dps/en garde buffs before pull ( try not to stack them all if ur chain pulling trash so u have some rdy for the next mob )

I try to time it so the first CA that lands is Dashing Swathe, due to the long casting timer i pre cast it to land just as the mob is placed (if ur buffing MT and its a group encounter have some balls :P)

Im currently using CCM so my timing is different to yours but still would suggest when COB is cast continue to use CA's and i dunno whether u do this already but i know alot do try to time Inspiration with COB, on fights like Sarik the fang i find its great but most of the time i rarely use it with COB


Hope this helps.... btw if u are a hotty pm runnyeye.ktza (le pimp swasheh)

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Dujek

Thanks guys,

I tried to work with your inputs and I found myself hitting for nearly/more than 2k DPS in the MT group (Guardian, Coercer, Templar, Mystic and Dirge) - at least sometimes. I think with some more practice it will be at 2K + in future.

And also a comment from me. Should CS recovery time not be used as swing time, the delay between the CA MUST be a lot longer, more than a second, and that´s definitely not the case.

My 2 cents

Greetings
Dujek

Dakis

The second fight is an AoE fight, therefore hurricane and your AoE's are boosting your DPS.

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sieki

i know the fights lol. it was the 2nd and 3rd fight in the zone. 2 werewolfs each.