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Krontak · 04-26-2007, 12:29 PM

So, after looking at that list of 1 handers which would you say the top 3 are. I'm usually only getting Coercer buffs (yeah I know sucky) so I'm sitting at around 110dps and around 80haste on average. Thats just a total guestimate. I'd have to go with the Axe of Natural Order off of Woushi as #1, and the two weapons off of Sawtooth in 2nd and Third Place.

Evalin · 04-26-2007, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Krontak

So, after looking at that list of 1 handers which would you say the top 3 are. I'm usually only getting Coercer buffs (yeah I know sucky) so I'm sitting at around 110dps and around 80haste on average. Thats just a total guestimate. I'd have to go with the Axe of Natural Order off of Woushi as #1, and the two weapons off of Sawtooth in 2nd and Third Place.

At 80 Haste, 110 dps,, 72 DA, 55 hurricane, 20 melee crit chance and 5 spell crit chance
I estimate Clearcutter first, Cheldrak's shard second and Kudzu Coil Whip third. Axe of Natural order is tied for fourth with Folded Scale Blade.

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align="left" valign="bottom">(87.8 Rating)</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom">(93.2 Rating)</td> <td colspan="2" style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom">(87.8 Rating)</td> <td style=""></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom">Damage Ratio:</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">2.98246</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">2.96774</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">4</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">5.62264</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">3</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">3</td> <td style=""></td> <td style=""></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom">Hasted Delay:</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">1.38889</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">0.88889</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">1.38889</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">2.22222</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">1.66667</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">2</td> <td style=""></td> <td style=""></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style=""></td> <td style=""></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom">dps Without Crits:</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">389.559</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">329.817</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">377.546</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">376.474</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">400.428</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">376.593</td> <td style=""></td> <td style=""></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom">dps With Crits:</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">434.421</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">367.682</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">428.428</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">434.413</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">446.708</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">420.118</td> <td style=""></td> <td style=""></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style=""></td> <td style=""></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom">dps With Procs:</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">389.559</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">370.803</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">399.794</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">376.474</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">431.478</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">396.483</td> <td style=""></td> <td style=""></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom">dps With Procs & Crits:</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">434.421</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">409.283</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">451.01</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">434.413</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">478.224</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">440.307</td> <td style=""></td> <td style=""></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style=""></td> <td style=""></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom">Model A Penalty:</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">0.69444</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">0.88889</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">0.69444</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">0.74074</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">0.83333</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">1</td> <td style=""></td> <td style=""></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom">CA Chaining Model A dps:</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">301.681</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">363.807</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">313.201</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">321.787</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">398.52</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">440.307</td> <td style=""></td> <td style=""></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style=""></td> <td style=""></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom">Model B Penalty:</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">1</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">0.88889</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">1</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">1</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">1</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">1</td> <td style=""></td> <td style=""></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom">CA Chaining Model B dps:</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">434.421</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">363.807</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">451.01</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">434.413</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">478.224</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">440.307</td> <td style=""></td> <td style=""></td> </tr> </tbody></table>

At 80 Haste, 110 dps,, 72 DA, 55 hurricane, 100 melee crit chance and 5 spell crit chance
1st is Axe of Natural Order, 2nd is Clearcutter, 3rd is Chel'Drak's Shard, 4th is Kudzu Coil Whip and 5th is Folded Scale Blade.

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<!-- "G_PLUGIN_FOR_HTML" -->                <table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"></td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom">Folded Scale Blade </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom">Qeynos Kilij </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom">Chel'Drak's Shard </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom">Axe of Natural Order </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom">Clearcutter Machete </td> <td colspan="3" style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom">Kudzu Coil Whip </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"></td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom">(90.8 Rating)</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom">(76.8 Rating)</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom">(87.8 Rating)</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom">(87.8 Rating)</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom">(93.2 Rating)</td> <td colspan="2" style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom">(87.8 Rating)</td> <td style=""></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom">Damage Ratio:</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">2.98246</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">2.96774</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">4</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">5.62264</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">3</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">3</td> <td style=""></td> <td style=""></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom">Hasted Delay:</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">1.38889</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">0.88889</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">1.38889</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">2.22222</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">1.66667</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">2</td> <td style=""></td> <td style=""></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style=""></td> <td style=""></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom">dps Without Crits:</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">389.559</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">329.817</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">377.546</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">376.474</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">400.428</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">376.593</td> <td style=""></td> <td style=""></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom">dps With Crits:</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">613.866</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">519.143</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">631.955</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">666.17</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">631.829</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">594.22</td> <td style=""></td> <td style=""></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style=""></td> <td style=""></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom">dps With Procs:</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">389.559</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">370.803</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">399.794</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">376.474</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">431.478</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">396.483</td> <td style=""></td> <td style=""></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom">dps With Procs & Crits:</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">613.866</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">560.743</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">654.536</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">666.17</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">663.345</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">614.409</td> <td style=""></td> <td style=""></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style=""></td> <td style=""></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom">Model A Penalty:</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">0.69444</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">0.88889</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">0.69444</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">0.74074</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">0.83333</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">1</td> <td style=""></td> <td style=""></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom">CA Chaining Model A dps:</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">426.296</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">498.439</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">454.539</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">493.459</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">552.787</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">614.409</td> <td style=""></td> <td style=""></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom"> </td> <td style=""></td> <td style=""></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom">Model B Penalty:</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">1</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">0.88889</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">1</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">1</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">1</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">1</td> <td style=""></td> <td style=""></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="left" valign="bottom">CA Chaining Model B dps:</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">613.866</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">498.439</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">654.536</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">666.17</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">663.345</td> <td style="font-size: 10pt;" align="right" valign="bottom">614.409</td> <td style=""></td> <td style=""></td> </tr> </tbody></table>

In both cases Kudzu Coil Whip would be the best choice when CA chaining assuming that your CA cast/recovery is 1 second because the delay is exactly 2 seconds.

If you only consider melee damage and not procs, Axe of Natural Order will tie Clearcutter at around 41% melee crit chance but with the proc it won't catch up to Clearcutter till well over 75% crit chance. I estimated 95% but some people dispute my proc calculations but don't provide a better model to use so I use what I got.

Krontak · 04-26-2007, 03:19 PM

I'm a little slow I'll admit. What are the Model A, Model B things and what are the penalties if you don't mind my asking. I'm assuming these are factors unique to how you calculate dps. Mind explaining? The penalty seems like the penalty or loss of regular swings due to chain CA casting but I'm not 100% certain.

Evalin · 04-26-2007, 03:53 PM

If you are chaining combat arts, your auto attack can only go off between CAs and only one auto attack can go off at that point. IE you can only queue one delayed auto attack during a CA, so CAs with long casting times will make you loose more auto attack swings. So if the delay does not match exactly a multiple of the casting time + recovery, you will fail to auto attack a certain percent of the time when CA chaining.

The penalty value is actually the percentage number of hits that are not lost to CA chaining. I multiply the DPS by this number to calculate the DPS when CA Chaining.

In Model A I assume that the delay till next swing only starts ticking when the weapon actually swings instead of when it should have swung.

In Model B I assume that the delay till next swing starts when the weapon should have swung. This can also be used in the case where you time your combat arts to fall between the delay of your weapon in which case most weapons don't have a penalty but very fast weapons still have a penalty because the CAs will slow down your auto attack rate.

One way to look at it is that Model A shows you how much auto attack damage you would lose with each weapon if you Chain CAs. Model B shows the maximum auto attack damage you can do while using CAs under that particular scenario.

In this particular case I was using 0.5 second casting and 0.5 second recovery times. The penalties would be different if you had Sailwind, Bard casting reduction, a different haste value or any other modification to casting and recovery times.

Krontak · 04-30-2007, 10:56 AM

I understand...I think. :P Thanks for taking the time. I'm guessing you've got a spreadsheet set up with formulas embeded right in it eh? I may just craft something up like that so depending on my group set up, I'll know which weapon to use. Just type in my dps/delay and let the spreadsheet do the work. So basically, I count to 7 after each CA and then to 4,3,2 cast, 1,2,3 cast and so on right?

Wonder why this thread hasn't been stickied. Are you not popular enough Tiuri? Tiuri for Forum leader!

Evalin · 04-30-2007, 12:10 PM

I actually use a PHP script to do my weapon comparisons.

If you count out each tenth a second then yes you could do that.

Krontak · 04-30-2007, 12:16 PM

I'll prob just use some sort of perl script if I get my lazy butt off the forums and actually do something

Hey, something I heard and was kind of interesting. Do you know why Swashbucklers are Pirates? 'Cause they AARRRRRRRRrrrrrr! :P

Krontak · 05-07-2007, 01:56 PM

Ya know, funniest thing happened. After months we finally saw chel drak shard. I won it, replaced my Ancient Vorpal Blade. I was expecting a significant increase in DPS. Low and behold, it dropped by 100+ or so. I'm estatic now! I'm thinking I need to add the haste ring and drop the dps ring since my dps is almost always %110-%120 or so and my haste is always below 100% with my group set up. I usualy only have a coercer buffin' me which is kinda sucky. Who knows, maybe I just need to adjust to the new speed and time my CA's appropriately. We'll see.

Evalin · 05-08-2007, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Krontak

Ya know, funniest thing happened. After months we finally saw chel drak shard. I won it, replaced my Ancient Vorpal Blade. I was expecting a significant increase in DPS. Low and behold, it dropped by 100+ or so. I'm estatic now! I'm thinking I need to add the haste ring and drop the dps ring since my dps is almost always %110-%120 or so and my haste is always below 100% with my group set up. I usualy only have a coercer buffin' me which is kinda sucky. Who knows, maybe I just need to adjust to the new speed and time my CA's appropriately. We'll see.

If we look at CA chaining and trying to time CAs to fall between weapon swings we can compute the following table.

<table border="1" cellspacing="0" cols="5" frame="void" rules="groups"> <colgroup><col width="86"><col width="86"><col width="86"><col width="86"><col width="86"></colgroup> <tbody> <tr> <td align="left" height="17" width="86">% Haste</td> <td sdval="0.9" sdnum="4105;0;0.00%" align="center" width="86">90.00%</td> <td sdval="1" sdnum="4105;0;0.00%" align="center" width="86">100.00%</td> <td sdval="1.1" sdnum="4105;0;0.00%" align="center" width="86">110.00%</td> <td sdval="1.25" sdnum="4105;0;0.00%" align="center" width="86">125.00%</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="32">
</td> <td align="center">Ancient Vorpal Blade </td> <td align="center">Ancient Vorpal Blade </td> <td align="center">Ancient Vorpal Blade </td> <td align="center">Ancient Vorpal Blade </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">
</td> <td align="center">(84.9 Rating)</td> <td align="center">(84.9 Rating)</td> <td align="center">(84.9 Rating)</td> <td align="center">(84.9 Rating)</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Damage Ratio:</td> <td sdval="5.76" sdnum="4105;" align="right">5.76</td> <td sdval="5.76" sdnum="4105;" align="right">5.76</td> <td sdval="5.76" sdnum="4105;" align="right">5.76</td> <td sdval="5.76" sdnum="4105;" align="right">5.76</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Hasted Delay:</td> <td sdval="1.05263157895" sdnum="4105;" align="right">1.05</td> <td sdval="1" sdnum="4105;" align="right">1</td> <td sdval="0.952380952381" sdnum="4105;" align="right">0.95</td> <td sdval="0.888888888889" sdnum="4105;" align="right">0.89</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="32">Model A Penalty:</td> <td sdval="0.526315789474" sdnum="4105;" align="right">0.53</td> <td sdval="1" sdnum="4105;" align="right">1</td> <td sdval="0.952380952381" sdnum="4105;" align="right">0.95</td> <td sdval="0.888888888889" sdnum="4105;" align="right">0.89</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="32">Model B Penalty:</td> <td sdval="1" sdnum="4105;" align="right">1</td> <td sdval="1" sdnum="4105;" align="right">1</td> <td sdval="0.952380952381" sdnum="4105;" align="right">0.95</td> <td sdval="0.888888888889" sdnum="4105;" align="right">0.89</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">
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</td> <td align="center">Chel'Drak's Shard </td> <td align="center">Chel'Drak's Shard </td> <td align="center">Chel'Drak's Shard </td> <td align="center">Chel'Drak's Shard </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">
</td> <td align="center">(76.8 Rating)</td> <td align="center">(87.8 Rating)</td> <td align="center">(87.8 Rating)</td> <td align="center">(87.8 Rating)</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Damage Ratio:</td> <td sdval="4" sdnum="4105;" align="right">4</td> <td sdval="4" sdnum="4105;" align="right">4</td> <td sdval="4" sdnum="4105;" align="right">4</td> <td sdval="4" sdnum="4105;" align="right">4</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Hasted Delay:</td> <td sdval="1.31578947368" sdnum="4105;" align="right">1.32</td> <td sdval="1.25" sdnum="4105;" align="right">1.25</td> <td sdval="1.19047619048" sdnum="4105;" align="right">1.19</td> <td sdval="1.11111111111" sdnum="4105;" align="right">1.11</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="32">Model A Penalty:</td> <td sdval="0.657894736842" sdnum="4105;" align="right">0.66</td> <td sdval="0.625" sdnum="4105;" align="right">0.63</td> <td sdval="0.595238095238" sdnum="4105;" align="right">0.6</td> <td sdval="0.555555555556" sdnum="4105;" align="right">0.56</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="32">Model B Penalty:</td> <td sdval="1" sdnum="4105;" align="right">1</td> <td sdval="1" sdnum="4105;" align="right">1</td> <td sdval="1" sdnum="4105;" align="right">1</td> <td sdval="1" sdnum="4105;" align="right">1</td> </tr> </tbody> </table>
If you are CA chaining, Vorpal Blade misses fewer swings when hasted 100% or more. However because its a delay 2 weapon, Haste over 100% doesn't help when using CAs.

The two weapons may be very close because of two factors, lost swings to CAs and the fact that the damage ratio is higher on the Vorpal Blade so it gets a large benefit from Melee Crits.

Krontak · 05-10-2007, 10:08 AM

That looks like an old DR for the AVP. I believe its 80. It was 84.9 pre the most recent equipement revamp. I'm not 100% certain about the ratio but that looks about right. Ya know though, I've gotten a acrillia haste ring to suplement the haste from spurious bravado and the 25% from the cloak of the warrior and my dps jumped way up. After all, a large % of our dps comes from mele and upping the mele seemed to do the trick. With my spurbravado/haste ring procing I stand somewhere around %110 haste which seems to be working out fine.

Anyways, I sincerely appreciate the time you put into the formula's. It gives me another way to look at weapons and I'll def refer back to this thread. Thnx.