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Old 10-27-2009, 08:15 AM  
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Eh, heard a wierd rumor floating around the channels today about the update to the Swash Wisdom Line
I heard that they were going to replace the DA% of the WIS line with Flurry instead but keep the 1 Weapon restriction with upping the chance from the 51.5% to 75%. So with current gear and buffs we could have 100% DA with and 75% Flurry chance however only equipping 1 weapon.
If this is true, would it help the rouge or just give us the same useless WIS line we already have. I am not 100% on how flurry works but a little guess work.
Flurry is a chance to hit the mob Multiple Times with your primary weapon on a succesful attack.
Question 1 : Can you Flurry on a double attack? If you can does both hits flurry or just the initial one.
Question 2 : Exactly how many succesive hits do you get on a flurry " 2 - 3 - 4 ect... " or is it just an increased hit.
So after putting together some numbers here is what I came up with.. Giving Question # 2 the answer of 4 hits.
Weapons : Both are represented at each doing 500 Damage
    • Single Wield with Flurry on initial hit only.
    • 100 Hits at 75% Flurry and 100% DA, Single Wield
    • 75% out of 100 would be 75 times. So out of 100 you would hit for 2500, 75 times, and 1000, 25 times.
    • 187500 + 25000 = 212500 Total Damage
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    • Single Wield with Flurry on both hits.
    • 100 Hits at 75% Flurry and 100% DA, Single Wield
    • 75% out of 100 would be 75 times. So out of 100 you would hit for 4000, 75 times, and 1000, 25 times.
    • 300000 + 25000 = 325000 Total Damage
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    • Dual Wield with No Flurry
    • 100 Hits at 0% Flurry and 100% DA Duel Wield
    • 100% out of 100 would be 100 times. So out of 100 you would hit for 2000 100 times.
    • 200000 Total Damage
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    • Duel Wield with Flury on initial hit only.
    • 100 Hits at 5% Flurry and 100% DA Dual Wield
    • 5% out of 100 would be 5 times. So out of 100 you would hit for 3500 5 times, and 2000 95 times.
    • 17500 + 190000 = 207500 Total Damage
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    • Dual Wield with Flury on both hits.
    • 100 Hits at 5% Flurry and 100% DA Dual Wield
    • 5% out of 100 would be 5 times. So out of 100 you would hit for 5000 5 times, and 2000 95 times.
    • 25000 + 190000 = 215000 Total Damage
Now with using just base Numbers, you can see that with using 1 Weapon equiped you would get a slight increase of damage, secondaly there is not weapon out there that hits as hard as our Mythical. However you would loose the stats and bonuses of that offhand weapon by using the Wis Line if indeed it does get changed to this. Either way on how Flurry Works with double attack, it would still be better to have 1 Weapon with 75% Flurry 100% DA then having two weapons with 5% Flurry and 100% DA.
I would even wager that with difference in damage from our Myth to other offhands in game, if they left the % of increase at 51.5% we would still do more Damage with 100% DA and 51.5% Flurry " Along with Lunge Reversal " then we would Dual Wielding with 5% Flurry and 100% DA..
Opinions please.
I do not think this would be overpowering due to the fact that we would be giving up the stats from offhand weapons to obtain this increase. It would be a risk vs reward situation pertaining to bonuses offhands would provide in game. If this rumor is not true, how about some opinions on if you would like to see this implemented.
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The reds will always be helped. The Rogues, who cares?

Either way, your math is uhm, horrible?

Let's do the real math:

Assuming you have 2 weapons with a 3.0 delay, average hit of 100. This means with 1H equipped you have a 3.0 delay, 100 hit and with DW you have 4.0 delay and 100 hit. 1200s worth of fighting.

1H with 0% Flurry, 100% DA:
400 hits. 400 DAs.
400*100 + 400*100 = 80000 damage.

1H with 75% Flurry, 100% DA:
400 hits, 400 DAs, 300 Flurries(2 hits each)
400*100 + 400*100 + 300*2*100 = 140000

DW with 0% Flurry, 100% DA:
600 hits, 600 DAs.
600*100 + 600*100 = 120000

DW with 5% Flurry, 100% DA:
600 hits, 600 DAs, 30(2 hits)
600*100 + 600*100 + 30*2*100 = 126000

So, that puts the 1H with 75% flurry to be the best.
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Ok ok, my math blows, its was 5am and I am/was tired as fuck, but still 1 Hander with 75% Flurry still owns non the less. Not to mention with BC "5% Flurry" and our Mythical hits hard as fuck. It would rock but for end game weapons/ Field Strategist Dagger or Accuracy from Avatar Dagger or Melee Crit Bonus from either of them or the Munzoks off hand, would it be worth it to dump those for ( 1h 75% Flurry) ......... or would it be a choice.. ....

And I still didn't see an opinion.

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Ive always prefered the playing style of the onehand-spec and would not mind a worthy revamp of it.
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I ACT-studied flurry results (with BC) for a while and I seriously doubt whether it works properly, as advertised. I also wonder if hurricane cripples the results; from what I've seen, either a) ACT messes up the statistics or b) flurry is simply broken.

could be c) I'm clueless. but at least I tried.

Cal, any experiences or views on this? (never mind option c)
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I was reviewing my ACT log for ToMC and I gotta say that Flurry mechanic is all fucked up. I have flurry procs going off from anywhere from 2 - 9 attacks. Maybe I should have reviewed them before making this post but still, if Flurry hits for a minimum of 2x's and has a chance to strike alot more then that, and it possibly has a chance to proc on Hurricane, well then I would deffinately say that 1 hander with 75% Flurry would be awsome, hell even 51.5%. Would deffinately give us duel specs if nothing else for encounter based / single based fights....

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Eh, heard a wierd rumor floating around the channels today about the update to the Swash Wisdom Line
I heard that they were going to replace the DA% of the WIS line with Flurry instead but keep the 1 Weapon restriction with upping the chance from the 51.5% to 75%. So with current gear and buffs we could have 100% DA with and 75% Flurry chance however only equipping 1 weapon.

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I can confirm that rumor is totally wrong and not even close to what is planned since the one hand restriction. It then becomes more inline with something you expect from a rogue Just remember, Mr. "A reliable source" ( or any of his associates ) is often more wrong than right.

( Well I can only say that the title said it all, Rumor )

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Old 10-27-2009, 07:34 PM  
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Yeah, I'm guessing the "Rumor" started on a forum somewhere with someone going "it would be really cool if they changed the WIS line to this:"

Any change would be appreciated - it's nice that they acknowledge it needs to be changed. Though I'm not sure what he means by "more inline with something you expect from a rogue".

At least it's not as bad as the Inquisitor WIS line - which only buffs you vs. undead.
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Old 10-27-2009, 07:51 PM  
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Katanallama prolly fucking started this rumor lol
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Katanallama prolly fucking started this rumor lol

LOL, I thought the same thing

But yes the wisdom line is worse than useless since the changes to dualwield/one hand itemization. Wow you get extra double attack?
Guess what, I have 100% double attack naked, because I equip 2 weapons.
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