Group cures- Would not take effect?

Metran · 09-19-2007, 04:12 PM

Since the last LU, I've been encountering the would not take effect message on a large % of my attempts at group curing....

Using Ardent Resolve Master I(as it cures hostile up to 100) and no I haven't found the level 42 Master which would do the job with greater power efficiency.

At first I thought it was a problem related to the Mystic I had in my group then was grouped with other healers who would not have the group arcane cure.

So my theory comes to this, would a cure AA(even single target) make it so that they would potentially block a group cure? Or similarly if its not a cure AA, is it related to the fact that I have opted not to use devoted resolve for mana efficiency and they have yet to change the display value on Ardent Resolve?

My apologies if this has been all asked and hashed before, I've just only started seeing this message since the last LU, but I also started apping with a guild at about the same time, so don't know anyone's AA specs at this time.

Nyax · 09-19-2007, 04:34 PM

What is the message you are getting?

I have not noticed any changes in my group curing.

Dants · 09-19-2007, 04:36 PM

I'm gonna take a random stab at this, but is it possible that the healer in your group has an AA attached to their cure?

This would mean that they cast an arcane cure on a group member and it puts an arcane buff on that player. You then go to cast your group cure and since your group cure is a lower level than the single target cure, it gets blocked for that player.

Like I said, this is just an educated guess.

Metran · 09-19-2007, 04:38 PM

I am prevented from casting, with the message "would not take effect". It's not happening all the time, but often enough that its annoying me.
Ninjaed by Dants, but yeah that's my guess as well, but then the math just doesn't add up... since a single cure dispels hostile up to 78, whereas teh group cure dispels up to 100...I do however think its the buff preventing it from going on, but was hoping someone else had encountered this to confirm it.

Nyax · 09-19-2007, 04:56 PM

Do you by chance have the AA's that give your group cure a reactive? Its a possibility that a group or single target reactive might be preventing you from casting your group cure this way but i have never used that aa ability.

Metran · 09-19-2007, 05:07 PM

I did, but respecced and am still encountering this issue. I am pretty sure it would be the buff from a warden or mystic specced for cures. Next time I encounter it, I'll try and get the info as far as the spec of the healer I am grouped with to see if the buff is in fact preventing it.

Like I said, this only started happening around the last LU, so not sure if its always existed or just something new since the previous healers I was grouped with were never specced for cures, but that's what I am assuming is the cause of the problem.

Nyax · 09-19-2007, 05:10 PM

I'd check the warden and mystic boards to see if they're encountering any problems or have had any issues like this brought to them. You're the first instance i've heard of this happening.

Can I ask what mobs you have been fighting?

EQAditu · 09-19-2007, 05:31 PM

This is a very long standing issue.

If you're grouped with a cure spec'ed priest and they cast their T7 group cure, you cannot cast your T6 group cure. Simple as that. It doesn't matter if you are cure spec'ed or not... it doesn't seem to check either way, it just sees that there is a L70 buff in place, your cure is on its non-stacking list, and yours is lower level.

I have personally seen it happen with Mystics. I presume it may also happen if you were a level 69 character and tried to cure someone with a single target cure buff active.

Metran · 09-19-2007, 05:33 PM

So far as mobs, its been pretty much all instances and some contested. If it was something that happened 100% of the time, that would be one thing, but it's happening enough to get annoying.

Metran · 09-19-2007, 05:34 PM

Thanks Aditu.