Izzdar

I will always be Mt grp so its hard for me to go all out dps. I am getting better with every raid though. Last night in FTH I did 500 but it wasn't are normal set up and the raid was only 2.5 grps. I was doing about 500-700 on most encounters. The problem I had was Tryloth and malkonis droped my parse alot. Since my power sucks long fights I don't really DPS I just focus on healing.

Tonight I am going to do some research and start building myself a DPS set. Twisted mahogony, BCG and the league jewlery will be the start of that. The rest I will pickup as I go.

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Luceus

Healers should definitely do dps, I think it's silly when I hear people say 'oh, what if I need power for heals'. This isn't eq1, power in this game comes so fast it's crazy not to use it if you're not spam healing.

When I raid, I have 2 sets of gear. One is for the MT group, and one is for the other groups. When i'm not in MT group, my goal is to parse the best I can. If each non MT healer is parsing 1k+, that's at least 3k+ raidwide added to each fight which is nothing to ignore.

Vizion

Speaking of DPS!

I got randomly picked to fight the heroic during Avatar of Tranquility the other night haha. It was easy as fuck and all but the whole guild starts saying shit like

"AFK for 10"
"Taking a Nap"
"Oh Gawd"

No faith at all!

Then again when everyone did start yelling I was picked my reaction was "Oh hell no"

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Phrozen

They used to do the same when I done EH trials, but most've the full offensive spec'd secondary healers wheren't that much quicker than me using a full heal spec setup.

Oopo

When people start talking shit like that is when you should just sit there and only heal yourself to piss them off lol.

Mojo

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Lumpy

EH ZW ( Prince , Rumbler , Sastooth ) and everything but Woushi - 1318 dps with over 1million heals
Had pretty decent group it got changed few times but mostly was - Zerker , dirge , troub , bruiser , Mystic and Me (templar) .. second floor kinda screwed my parse cuz we chain pulled bee so i had to heal and follow tank to not let them die so .. it was kinda suck .. highest parse was 2600 on Creepfern ( w/o PotM ) troub didnt cast alot anyway it was only 1 % of my zw ( 1520 w/o Rumbler , Prince , Sariah didnt dps at all on those mobs=\)

OT group in MMIS and FTH was just regular OT w/o the troub so .. if i can get same grp as EH one i think i can push prolly 1800 dps or more ZW in MMIS or FTH

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Parish

Hey guys,

Long time reader... very first time poster.

I am the raid/guild leader of Genesis and I chose to place another templar in the Main tank group for this very reason. I very much expect all healers to DPS when able.

As for what kind of numbers a Templar can generate in DPS... well that depends on just how much effort you put into it, including your gear with proc'ing damage, intelligence adornments, group make up and so many more things than any of us really care to list or read.

The fact is I believe Templars are one of the most versatile classes in the game. They can heal extremely well and the DPS can be rather astounding once you really work on that part of your game. A long while back I felt as though it was acceptable for healers to "heal" only, but not anymore. Especially when I see our MT on raids dual wielding against named encounters. If his health is that steady then the healers better be burning power other ways.

I won't claim to be the master of all DPS on my templar but I can post some pretty damn good numbers, even when not fighting undead. The fact is most healers that just heal primarily have read too many posts regarding how their class sucks or cannot do dps and they believe it, not exploring what their class can do for themselves.

A number for you to shoot at....

Viswin in MMIS

3367 DPS Templar.

and before you even ask... the answer is Yes.

Group make up:

Paladin
Templar
Illusionist
Wizard
Warlock
Troubadour


Yes, I was in the caster group.
Yes, I had a troubadour in the group.
Yes, I had a Paladin in the group amending me.
Yes, I was wearing ALL EoF legendary class armor with the 33% Spell haste.

The real question is Why not?

Why not play your whole character?
Why not use all of everything you can to do as much as you can with your class?
Why not put a templar in the caster group if they can achieve 3k DPS?

I am not posting this here to brag about myself, yet I am posting to brag about just how damn bad ass the Templar class is. The fact is most in my guild feel the Templar should be nerfed to all hell and back.

I personally feel as though my best friends are the whiners and criers on the forums about just how bad our class sucks... Because of them its my hope that we will never be nerfed.

On undead 2k DPS is easily achievable for the Templar and those that are not undead 1k-1.4k is achievable. As for the coment about saving .5 seconds for adding the dps from the healers on the trash mobs... think again buddy.

Lumpy

Im not big fan of single target parse so why dont u post one of ur ZW's buddy?
Question- why did ur Pally amend u not one of ur sorcerer ??!

And i would like to see SS of damage break down cuz i have feeling that u used stake lol

Hell i think 3k on non undead is achievable with decent grp with timeing everything perfect

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Parish

First of all...

Let me make one thing very clear, when I parsed at 3.3K, it was intentional. I was making a point to the healers on the raid.. and for this matter every other DPS class on the raid. With the correct group make up and proper attention to detail you can achieve pretty high numbers in DPS. My raid force is not a hardcore raid force, we do not kill contested, only instanced content. We have very small windows of time to work with on raids. We do not have the uber DPS players that alot of the raid guilds that post here do.


What is the difference between posting my absolute best ZW parse in FTH and my best named encounter parse in MIS?

I didn't post this to try and say >Parish< is uber... I posted this because the >Templar< class is ungodly.

My Best ZW in FTH off the top of my head was just over 2k. One thing tho that you might want to also take into consideration we had an empty slot on that raid and I invited yet another healer... so basically I didn't need to heal much at all the whole raid. So comparing my ZW parse in FTH to any other healer that didn't have an *extra healer* in their pocket would just be ludicrous.

Why did the Paladin amend me rather than the Sorcerer....

I was testing my class and ability to push the DPS on the Templar as much as possible on this encounter and we knew this when the encounter started. This is why. I usually parse around 2500 dps on Viswin, but this time I really wanted to see just how far I could push the envelope. The Sorcerer's parsed around 2400 dps on this encounter I believe, and that's where they have been parsing on this encounter.

Did I use a stake on Viswin? Of course I did! With out the stake I believe my DPS would have worked out to be around 2900 DPS.

This thread is about whether healers should only heal.. that is why I posted about the capability of DPS. My guild is not an uber hard core raiding guild, so I have to look for all the places I can muster DPS from in order to achieve kills so I do push my healers to swing their hammers and drop their nukes. Our DPS as a raid would just be laughed at by the upper guilds on these boards, but thats not what this is about. The fact is, I believe healers need to do more than just heal.

I did mention that this was my very first post.. and here is the reason why. All to often when someone makes a post, others believe its primetime for a pissing in the wind contest. I do not. I try to read and learn from as many as I can and discern from what I believe to be good information and what I believe to be absolute bull shit.

My templar is not the best templar of all time.. and it will never be. And I assure you that there is probably other templars out there that can parse even higher on Viswin than I can. But the real point here is.. if a Templar can Parse like this... why shouldnt they?