Templar DPS preference - Page 3

pagansaint · 12-17-2007, 11:21 PM

Better question is how would Str be better DPS.

100% melee crit > ~200 avg dmg proc

Ralalron · 12-18-2007, 01:21 PM

Str really doesnt boost DPS much... Steadfast is unbeatable for soloing. The CA and Bolt adds a bit, but if your going for straight DPS spec, this really isn't the line. But if you want DPS while soloing, Steadfast is the whip~

quasigenx · 12-18-2007, 05:19 PM

Steadfast is kick ass for solo DPS. On raids, it won't make any difference. The STR proc is like 8% of a zw in my experience, which puts it behind INT/STA/AGI.

anomalek · 12-19-2007, 03:24 AM

The virtual absence of plate healer gear in ROK has made me obsess over this caster/fighter question - I spend hours looking over the parse now and trying different combinations of gear.

Obviously these questions are sort of moot when in raid, and you'll almost certainly want an entirely different set of gear for raiding.

But for soloing, where we gotta squeeze every drop of dps we can get or face ten-minute long battles with moat rats, I am finding I need a very particular kind of gear set-up.

I've got all the WIS I need and all my smite AAs are maxed. So what I'm doing - given the dearth of plate healer gear options - is focussing on getting any plate gear with high STR, AGI and INT - preferably plate gear with those stats coupled with basic procs like +melee crit, +double attack, +attack speed, +dps.

This is making a HUGE difference in my damage output.

Obviously steadfast AA ability is a must for this set-up. The two combat arts - hammer smite and skull crack - do impressive damage with this setup. I one-hit way over 2k now and have even broken 3k in groups - this coupled with 5-6K spell damage is a good remedy for the endless miserable tedium that is templar dps.

As said before, big-ass hammer helps - staff of cultivation is nice but not the only way to go.l

Sabrielle · 12-19-2007, 05:56 AM

I'm not sure what other templars are parsing, but I am in the mage group in my guild, and depending on what zone we are raiding, and how much I have to heal, I have hit up to 2.5k dps. In Tomb of Thuuga our last run I was at 1800 zw.

Not sure how that stacks up to other templars, in the mage group or not, but I am total spell casting. I sit at 41% spell crit and 40% heal crit with group buffs. group also combines DR + PoTM + Velium ever 3mins some odd seconds (the time of DR being jestered).

One thing though about being total spell casting, is that I lose a lot of dps if I am not spam casting nuke after nuke. As soon as I have to heal, my dps plummets because I cant cast a nuke inbetween heals a lot of the time, especially on AoE fights. Spell casting has its advantanges but being able to swing a big stick in between heals/nukes for 1200-2000 is also great. Templars can dps great either way but finding the right group set up and gear that works right can be tricky.

Ralalron · 12-19-2007, 08:49 PM

I would have to agree with that, you can dp decent dps a number of ways on the templar. I think the melee / spell spec for dps is better for soloing, primarily better for the speed of the soloing because you don't need as much pow to kill the mobs. Being in the mage group will definately help your dps in spell casting rather than being in a scout or OT group. I think that along with the damage crit % are the main reasons for your high parse. I like having the melee spec being a MT group healer, just because when I cannot get those nukes in due to the healing, I can still normally land a crush in just from auto attack. granted relying on crush hits between heals spells isnt going to give you too much of a parse, it still doesnt hurt the raid over all.

quasigenx · 12-19-2007, 09:33 PM

One more thought.

Take a trick from the Wizard's book; don't cast damage abilities that are worse than Divine Strike. That spell is recastable on a very short timer, and does about 1700 with good INT and +spell damage gear.

I don't cast any of the AA damage arts (except the undead one, if I have it at the time), nor the Blaze line. I do cast the two DoTs, as their total damage is over 1700.

Ralalron · 12-21-2007, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by quasigenx

I don't cast any of the AA damage arts (except the undead one, if I have it at the time), nor the Blaze line. I do cast the two DoTs, as their total damage is over 1700.

If the mob is properly debuffed, you can get a nice and quick damage spike in with the AA CAs. Along with the halfling Mischievious Strike, I can spike a good 3k+ DPS in very short amount of time. I see where your coming from though. It would be a good power saving stategy to take the wizzy tip approach.

Ralalron · 12-21-2007, 03:53 PM

And I agree with you on the Blaze line, the casting time is too long. I will cast it occasionally when theres 3+ mobs. Other than that, I don't really use it.

hennyo · 12-21-2007, 05:54 PM

The reason I suggested the str line is because the melee crit line only helps dps on fights where you can melee, while the str line helps on any fight you dps on. Remeber the str line can proc on EVERY attack you make, wether it was a melee attack or a spell attack. Also remeber that a slow swinging high damage spread weapon may not be your best option for dps. Wands or staffs with very small damage spreads dont benefit that much from melee crit but may add alot of other dps in other ways.

Remeber also str line proc is effected by str, and often templars have poor str. Focusing on str and seriously raise the proc amount.

Now if you can melee on 80 percent of fights, but the 20 percent of fights you can't melee on last 2 to 3 times as long and your only losing 10 percent of the dps compared to a full melee crit spec on fights you can melee and 30 percent on fights you can't. I find str to comparable to sta for ZW parse and if not, at least better on the majority of fights that matter.

Well at least thats way I look at it, but mabey since I haven't raided rok yet I could be full of it, but as it was in eof with raids then, that would have been the most useful dps setup. I did try (agi, str) (agi int) (sta Int) (sta agi) (str sta) all for dps. Of those (int str), (sta int) and (agi int) were the ones I liked. (agi, int) was my best dps in eof.

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