Ufa

Another MT templar here, and I also generally top the parse - both pre and post RoK. But I've also had more experience as a templar than either of our defilers, who are relatively new to the class.

Our OT templar also is high in the parse, but we split up the duties so she's the one casting Mark of Divinity and Involuntary Gift. It sure helps her numbers

If the other templar is overwriting your reactives, or casting the debuffs, then yep - that could be part of the issue. Might be helpful to run ACT yourself, and then look at your healed details and the other templar's healed details.

quasigenx

AFAIK, these totally stack. I'm 95% sure that Mark does, at least.

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quasigenx

I would say that if you have a MA that's actually off-tanking a mob for that fight, the off-tank shaman could be #2 before the MT cleric. Could be true for a zw too, but I have never seen that.


/agree that the MT shaman should be on top, and by a decent margin. If they are not, there is something wrong.

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Trint

I am loathe to say that our shammy (one of each, alternates depending on raid/mood it seems) is not performing to top of their class. I don't know since I've never played one. I do know that before RoK, I only topped for the long drawn out name fights. Shammy would be top on any trash, sometimes greather than 60 percent healed if it went fast. Same person, same level (80, fast) and more masters, but I lead the parse, and occassionally our wardern or fury climbs above them, by a few percent or more, post RoK. Either way, the fites get done and the tank stays up, but I'm confused. No one else is seeing this? I had heard that worldwide mystic channel's were pumpin hate for a nerf of their overall healing. Meh, anywho, I've seen mark and involuntary show up more than once on the debuff graphic list on a mob, but don't know if they can show up mult times but not proc repeatedly...
Best of luck, and I agree with the crowd, it's just a number, a kill's a kill.

Trint, Healer of Donkeys

P.S. I still like to see my name up there :D

Dreana

I probably don't have as much raid experience as some of the other templars posting here, but I am usually either 2nd or 3rd on the heal parse along with our raid's other templar. The defiler is first of course. I can never seem to beat him.

You mentioned spot healing and the tool I found best for this is the 3x Click to Heal Raid Window. It helps me save time by not having to switch from the MT to heal those who need it.

Sabrielle

I am the mage grp templar in my guild so maybe I dont care so much for the heal parse cause I dont always get up top unless its an AoE fight or the mages decide to die a lot, but imo the real heal parse is if the mob/named dies. If you wipe on a named or trash mob, it dont matter who is at the top cause you wiped. Numbers are great and defilers SHOULD outheal parse a templar on most fights, but if you kill a mob you kill a mob. Don't mean to sound like a dbag by saying it like that, but personally thats how i go by my heal parse. Mob dead = win Raid Wipe = lose

RedHawk

Absolutely.

It takes an entire fight to build up the heal parse, but only a moment to let a tank die. Consistency is far more important than heal parse, but sadly, you can't parse consistency. You just get a feel for how consistent someone is after raiding with them for a while.

Unfortunately, often people don't understand that the heal parse is only half of what makes a healer great, so you have to cock-slap some people with a 1300-1500HPS parse on a 10-20 minute fight every now and then to keep them from getting any ideas that you might suck or something.

So knowing that the heal parse can often mean jack shit, I feel no shame in linking an uber parse every now and then.

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RedHawk

They do not overwrite each other, however they do not stack. The one that was cast last is the one in effect. So if you can tell when the other guy is casting his, and you want to be a douchebag, you can make sure yours is the one getting the credit. It's better though to figure out which templar has the better proc chance and have him maintain them. Or if you're dpsing, you can be a lazy bitch and forget it altogether. Not saying I actually do that..... =p

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RedHawk

I can't help but buck this "Shamen should always top the parse" bullshit. Sure, when killing trash and easy nameds, the shaman can top the parse anytime he wants to just because of the heal mechanics. However, in EoF, in my own experience, when all the MT healers were stressed to their limit throughout the fight, the templar will come out on top. I'm beginning to think that the folks who perpetuate this bullshit have an excellent defiler, but not an excellent templar.

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Phrozen

... Lol.

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