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12-17-2007, 10:14 PM
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The 39 Inch pimp
Character: Quasifrodo
Guild: Journeymen of the Overlord
Server: AB
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healing techniques for max healing?
I have been a cleric since '99 in EQ1 and a templar since I started in EQ2. I have never been questioned as to my skill, or abilities, particularly in grouping situations, and have been a main tank group healer pretty much my entire raiding life.
My heal parse numbers, however, are less than I want them to be.
We have another templar in our raid force who usually heals in one of the DPS groups, and they outparse my numbers fairly consistently. At one point, we were swapped with the logic being that the other temp ought to be a better fit in the MT group, seeing as they parsed higher, but the raids were a fiasco. Ultimately I was moved back and told by the raid leader that even though I parsed lower, shield ally and whatever else I was doing "just worked" and that we were much more successful with me in that position.
So the question I pose is this: On the heal parse, I generally place behind the OT group warden, the MT defiler and the other templar, but usually out heal the rest of the healers. What can I do to boost my performance....or, rather, anyone care to share casting order and what not? I'm just looking for ideas on things that might make me better. Any suggestions would help alot!
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12-17-2007, 10:27 PM
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Character: Zaquelle
Guild: Siege
Server: Najena
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Re: healing techniques for max healing?
Parses for healers are best used to see who is flat out not healing. I look at them when something is wrong. Other than that,
they should read like a list of whose groups are taking damage, not necessarily in order of who are the best healers.
That said, in general for medium to hard raid content (ie, not trivial), I would expect the MT group to go Shaman > Cleric > Druid.
That's not to say that an off-group healer would not be higher than the Cleric, especially with AE mobs.
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12-17-2007, 11:18 PM
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Character: RedHawk
Guild: Saints of Norrath
Server: Blackburrow
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Re: healing techniques for max healing?
Just make sure your reactives are always up and that you're working those blast heals. Not much else u can do. If the tank isn't getting rocked, the defiler can outparse you any time he wants to.
Seems like this xpac the ratio of the size of the hits a tank takes to the size of our reactives is a lot bigger, but I don't know if that is just gear or our +heal being capped way to low.....
A must have is a cancel_spellcast key. You see it happen all the time: a tank gets rocked, and everyone casts their heals on him. Tank gets rocked again, and most of the people don't have their heals up. Never let your heals finish if the tank is green.
If you see the tank stay green for a few seconds, then he dips down to about 95%. You just know that 1 or 2 seconds later, he is going get hit hard because there are no wards up. Go ahead and start casting your big blast heal. If he doesn't get hit, just cancel it and start recasting. Repeat until u need to cast a reactive or the tank gets hit.
Basically, predict when the damage is coming instead of reacting to it. All I can say.
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12-18-2007, 10:57 AM
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Character: Gemlin
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Re: healing techniques for max healing?
since t8 I always lead the healparser.
try to get some overloaded heal items, +heal items and manaproc items.
for extra healing use your t8 singlereaktive. with the manaprocs you can chaincast and never get oom. on hard AoE mobs proc the overloaded heal items with your direct groupheal and groupreaktive.
do some crosshealing with your big single direct heal. use repent every time it's up.
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12-18-2007, 11:33 AM
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Character: SteeleHeart
Guild: Aftermath
Server: Butcherblock
Posts: 60
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Re: healing techniques for max healing?
I am glad someone has brought this subject up.
Heal parses, live and die by the numbers? or do they really reflect the true skill of a Templar.
I also have had issues with parse numbers that made me almost doubt my skills, although I was a MT healer for WW guild for a long time. My questions are as follows... What issues can make one Templars numbers higher than an other Templar in the same raid, does the fact that one Templar overwrites (watches for casts then casts over the top of) say the Temp they wish to make look bad on parses, does this effect the numbers?
Can one Templar that may not be highest on actual heal numbers be the better overall Temp because they cure and rez and do a better job for the whole raid in general?
And finally does position/distance from the person running the parser change the numbers at all?
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12-18-2007, 11:47 AM
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Character: Trint Frazzleroot
Guild: Black Lotus Society
Server: Najena
Posts: 22
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Expansion change
Before RoK, I was MT templar and I had to fight to top the parses. On name fights, against an MT warden, a dps group Fury, and a MT Shammy (fully mastered, well played) I would only top the parse (ad 3/masters) on long name fights, but I would top the parse. Zonewide, I would be in the top 3, as our Fury does a good job of keeping his squishies healthy.
After RoK, I top the parse on 75 percent of fights, trash or names, again, I have no masters to our MT shammy having a few key ones. I've heard that shammies have been nerfed a lil as far as healing ability. Whatever the reason, I see no reason the MT templar can't top the heal parse. It's not necessary, as everyone's been saying, but it's very doable. Keeping your single target reactive and Reverence on the MT as much as possible, the Mark and Involuntary debuffs are on mob constantly, and a few group direct heals/big heals on the tank = parse toppin heal. I've checked the breakdown of my better parses, and Mark accounts for up to 40 percent of my heals some fights. As far as gear, I wear the KoS collection heal earring, the bone hoops from WW, my claymore, and several plus to heals. I think my heal crit chance is 25 percent and i have about a 300 bonus to my base heals.
That's what I do, and it seems to work. As far as gear in general, I wear full EoF legendary to reduce my cast time (i'd wear full eof fabled if i had it, but I don't.) Flame me if you wanna, but i think a 50 percent (with aa) redux in cast time is invaluable. I'm also swingin the Mace of the Imprisoned (too lazy to do SoD, still workin statues.)
Trint, Healer of Donkeys
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12-18-2007, 11:51 AM
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Re: healing techniques for max healing?
Your MT Shaman isn't very good if they still aren't topping the heal-parse.
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12-18-2007, 12:24 PM
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Re: healing techniques for max healing?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinski
Your MT Shaman isn't very good if they still aren't topping the heal-parse.
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Yeah, keep trying to tell my defiler this... Funny how If I'm topping the heal parse the Tank usually splats eventually... Give them a grilling about being a retard... All of a sudden they top the heal parse, tank doesn't die, mob dies... Funny that eh. (This is only for RoK mind, with these massive DA's- C.Mayong, AoH, AoW, etc since I had more heals/wards at my disposal on heavy arcane AOEing mobs so tended to top the parse  )
Last edited by Phrozen; 12-18-2007 at 12:27 PM.
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12-18-2007, 12:28 PM
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Character: Ulric
Server: Nektulos
Posts: 286
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Re: healing techniques for max healing?
I expect heal parse to go MT Defiler > MT Templar > MT Warden (if your raid uses one) > everyone else. I like to beat the Defiler with my Templar, but if I do it makes me wonder what they are (or aren't doing).
While I expect and accept the Defiler should always be topping the heal parse, I personally feel horrible if I don't rank second. The only time that happens that I can live with it is if other groups aren't jousting and getting smacked by AEs. Even then, I feel badly, go back and try harder, because if I can't place second you mind as well fire me. Maybe I take the heal parse too seriously, but I don't think "the tank lived" is a good enough measure of personal performance. I think any MT templar should be ranking second unless you're spam curing and if spam cures really are needed, they shouldn't be being done by you.
/cancel_spellcast macro was mentioned. It is really important. I have it macroed into the first line of all my cures, and have a separate button for it too. It's faster than jumping. Using it also saves on power, which can be one of the bigger challenges of playing a templar vs other healers.
Keep those debuffs up for free heals, reactives always cycling, reverance, and direct heal as needed where needed, and cures. That's our job. The challenge for me is trying to dps on top of all that without being an embarassment. Still working on that part. :/
From what you say, it sounds like the other templar is screwing up your reactives and timing cycle by overwriting you or their group gets hit with a lot of AE. Outside of that, I don't really see how they can put out higher numbers than you are capable of.
Then again, I might just be a newb. :/
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12-18-2007, 12:46 PM
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The 39 Inch pimp
Character: Quasifrodo
Guild: Journeymen of the Overlord
Server: AB
Posts: 7
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Re: healing techniques for max healing?
Well, a few things.
1. The main tank group tends to do well, while the other three groups get hit hard with AOE's and I think after mulling this over that probably is where alot of his parse numbers are. of course there aren't aoe's on every mob, so I could be wrong zonewide.
2. Does reverence show up in our parse numbers?
3. I cure, particularly when its just me and defiler in the MT group, but when we have a triad, I feel like with the slowest casting heals I should probably be the last person curing in that group.
Thread was very helpful. I can do some things much better, and I am going to take what I have gathered here and see what happens next raid.
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