MuffinPirate

I want to make either a Templar or a Defiler, but I can't decide which. I've browsed the forums of both and looked at the spell lists. Can anyone help tip me towards a Templar? Can either class single-heal most dungeon groups?

quasigenx

Either class can single heal instances no problem. If you raid, a Defiler will out parse a Templar due to ward versus reactive mechanics.

Both do spell based damage versus more melee/CA with AAs of the Inquisitor/Mystic. Defilers will tend to generate more hate due to ward mechanics. Templars can wear plate, of course.

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MuffinPirate

Cool, thanks for the info! That helps a lot.

I kinda like the idea of wards because I might be duo'ing with a caster friend, and that would help us both a lot. I still like the idea of a templar though.

I was just thinking..compared to having a ward, can templars heal casters pretty quickly too if the need arises?

Tashiana

Templars are slow healers as are Defilers
You have to work a lot proactive and do your best to avoid situations where you need to heal fast. Especially if its cloth healers that need to bee healed.

You do how ever get a heal that take all health from every member in the raid and then give out the same amount of health to every member in the group. Use that with a group heal follow up and you at least temporary will have any cloth user at 100% again.
If it’s the tank that need fast healing you have 2 emergency reactives to stack with your group and single reactive. And your fifth reactive that stuns you. If you squeeze of these five spells so that they stack. I would be very supriced if you don’t get the tank back to 100%. On the other hand both these methods will grant you a load of aggro so have your deaggro spell in handy.

And yes I heard that some templars end up second after defilers on parsers. And the game mechanisms give wards a little edge against other healing since they kick in first. But when it’s a hard fight where every heal counts. … Well if you end up after the defiler I guess you just have to put some more effort into it.
/Hugs Tash

Tyla

Divine Arbitration is group wide, not raid wide. The way it works, the sum of all hit points in the group divided evenly for each group member, at a slight loss - so if everyone in the group is suffering it's not going to have such an impact. Ideal for when the tank is in the red & everyone else at full health and you need to sort it quick tho.

Regards healing speed, the templar is a bit faster than the defiler - especially if you have the casting speed aa line, but not as fast as the druid classes. I play both a defiler & a templar and find them quite different. I prefer my templar in a group on solo heals as I find the casting speed a real annoyance in tough fights where the aggro is jumping about a lot. Both are cool in a raid situation but very different.

Re parsing, a good defiler will always beat a templar on the zonewide, simply because the wards of a defiler get sucked up before any heals can kick in - so on the trash when it's not that busy they will be stacking up the numbers. When it comes to the boss fight, the templar should own if they know their stuff as they have more direct heals they can cast faster across the raid, as well as 2 raid-wide lotto heal buffs they can place on the mob. Boost your crit heals to max and watch those 2 babies rack up the numbers for you without even trying!! Watch out for the defiler using soulward though - recastable every 15 mins and converts the defilers health into health for the target of the heal, which can be a nice little boost to the parse but can also get the defiler killed if they do it at the wrong moment (i.e. when an ae is inc.)

I have duoed a lot with a warlock friend of mine, and I would say the templar is best for that job. 1, because of the hp our buffs add to the group, coupled with stoneskin. Then you have the blessings aa line, which increases the trigger chance of the procs on the groups equipment by up to 20% (the mage will love you for that!)

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Tashiana

Ops yes slight typo of me would be fun though if all of the raids health did go to one group lol!!

You can use the spell to save your Mt if it going to read but its honestly better to use it to save cloth ppls. This is due to that MT will have loads of health. while the cloth ppl tend to have very little. So if you share the cloth ppl health with the tank it will just give him a minor heal but if you instead use it to save cloth ppl you will in most cases get them to 100% health.

And the ward kicks in first just as I said so on trivial contest wards > reactives on easy targets. as I said.
/Hugs Tash

Tyla

oh, and we do have a ward now - repent at level 80. Watch your backs defilers - we're coming to get j00 ;)

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Tyla

meh - if a clothy has aggro let him die imo.. best keep the tank up and revive the nuker with zero aggro :D (that's gonna be a popular comment!)

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Kizee

Or you need a better defiler.

Yes, it is possiable to top parse on certain mobs on raids but it's not common at all if you have a good defiler.

If I had to start over I would go defiler.

Tyla

It's not all about parsing though eh? ;)

Defiler also has lots of awesome debuffs for reducing the power & strength of a mob & turn it into a wailing baby... Templar only has the mit debuff (which is a nice amount) & a small short term wisdom debuff. But generally I think for group buffs the templar owns the defiler in terms of what they bring to the table (especially with the mythical epic making aegolism group wide & adding extra stats to it... add 4 set bonus of VP class armor and you increase effectiveness by 20%.. omgyesplsgivememytemplarpantsnowkthx!)

edit: one other thing to consider if you want to use this toon for small grps.. if you have no regen the templar will suck badly in terms of power. Defiler has a couple of tricks up its sleeve for greatly improving regen whilst in combat which means if you use them, power should never be an issue.

ok.. I am stopping this now.. before I end up arguing with myself.. back to work. Good luck to the OP in making a choice!!

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