Metran

Repent for me right now casts a 3838 ward, just cast it on myself and it crit for 4343. So how is 8k an exageration? If the target happens to not be at 100% when you cast repent on them? Being a templar who isn't in the MT group, when healing a dps group or what not my repent targets aren't always the tank. Very easy to get that kind of efficiency out of repent when you're not keeping it on the tank 100% of the time.

40s sanctuary I did mention being specced for cures, so master + 5 points in sanct= 40 seconds.

Arcane ward, its really a matter of opinion on that one I guess, but when you look at mobs like trak and byzola and most avatar fights, I would argue that the arcane ward is more valuable. Especially when you also factor in the fact that it takes care of choker damage, I stand by my theory that arcane > noxious.

EQAditu

It's not about the target being at 100% when you cast Repent. It's about the target having less than 100% when the target is hit. Two completely different things.

It's already been said early on in the expansion that it's not worth waiting for the perfect time to cast Repent on the MT. You should just cast it when feasible. You're wasting it otherwise. It's the same reason Inqs complain about aftershock. You're relying on the MT staying below full health after you cast the spell. If you're casting it on someone else besides the MT/ST, I sort of question why. How many Templars do you go with where a 30s recast ward will overwrite?

Anyhow you say it is "very easy" to get that kind of efficiency. You also suggest to go against what most said early on. Well, whatever. Even in your wildest dreams, I doubt you could get 75% efficiency out of Repent on the MT. Even when you say it's very easy to get near 100%.

Advanced Combat Tracker :: View topic - Repent Efficiency v0.1
So try it out. I've had this plugin for 7 months now, and I've never seen anything above 60% efficiency on a full raid. It's hard to get above that in heroic groups and impossible during raid trash. But since you say it's very easy, show us. I'll be surprised.

Metran

For the record I said when "the target happens to not be at a 100%" as in less than a 100%. Perhaps a poor choice of syntax, but the point is, templar's have the ability to get that efficiency; whether or not they do so is a different story.

The assumption you are operating under, is that repent has to go on the tank. I don't stack repent on the MT, if the MT healers can't get the job done, then there's a larger problem than me overwriting repent on the MT.

We run with 2 templars on a raid and no mob in this game hits hard enough for stacking repent to be necessary. My opinion on repent is the same as casting reactives on the MT from outside the MT group, I rarely do it. The MT healers should be able to get the job done for the most part, if they can't then something is wrong with the MT group set up, healers or MT and needs to fixed.

So far as getting that efficiency you were refering to? Easy enough to walk you through it. Swash in OT group on Phara Dar tonight wearing choker, OT has the debuff on him, swashy's health was dropping, threw repent on him and went back to dpsing.

It's not a question of whether or not its standard practice, its a question of whether or not we can get that kind of efficiency. Templar's can, they for the most part(myself included) choose to do differently in most situations, doesn't negate the fact that it can be done.

When we're OTing something, I always cast repent whenever its up on the OT and don't wait for the "perfect" time to use it. When we're not OTing something, then the efficiency on repent goes up, but its useage goes down. Generally the target is someone out of group while their healer is unable to heal them for whatever reason(prophetic on trak is a good example).

Bottom line is that repent is a great spell, but I believe it to be overpowered in comparisson to the other level 80 spells that were handed out to priests. Earlier when I brought up repent, I said it can easily get the 8k heal, is that necessarily the most effect use of the spell? no, but its ability to do so is there and can be pretty effective at times.

mafoe

edit: should've read your post to the end to see that you're not talking about MT healing. Alright, I can see your point with the 8k. Kudos. I just never can get 8k out of usually since the MT is near full health 99% of the time.

Overall, yes, both Repent and Sanct kick ass, epsecially when compared to f.e. Inquisition and Fervent Fuck.

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quasigenx

Inquisitors are totally OP... for solo/duel. I mean, come on. They are plate scouts who can heal themselves. They have great solo survivability, they can DPS awesome. They can even root, for gods sake!

Different classes excel in different circumstances. You don't bring a knife to an ice cream eating parts. Inquisitors have sucked at raiding for three years. Why betray and then cry about it?

Nerf Inquisitors in 2008.

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Phrozen

Actually, Templars have the same Solo/Duelling prowess, so shut up, retard.

quasigenx

Nice try dipshit. I actually played an Inquisitor for all of T7. You've been one for what, 5 minutes? Having CAs instead of spells owns in dueling. Spells just get resisted over and over.

From where I sit, it looks like you have your panties all in a twist because you betrayed to a gimp class. Any fucking newb could have told you that was an aweful, stupid idea. Now you're trying to justify it by saying that you:

A. Like sucking because it's such a challange
B. Think Templars should be nerfed.

Anyone who calls for a nerf can fuck off, as far as I'm concerned. I have zero respect for anyone who plays that card.

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quasigenx

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Snark

lol what

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EQAditu

So by your logic and make no mistake, this is a debate on logic I'm waging... let's say Deathward isn't underpowered because it has the possibility of warding for a fair amount. Sure, no defiler would think it's a good idea to always use the situation where it would ward for it's max value. But apparently it's the exception not the rule that we are looking at.