Kandra

I am all for buffing up other classes and balancing the ones who really need it, but that just amused me. I am not sure if she even knew how ridiculous it is to call op about some skills and then think just giving it to herself would fix the problem. Not to mention compared to their healing speed/healing mechanism to ours additional to getting those skills.

razieh

What she is suggesting would not fix anything, though fact still remains templars are overpowered.

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Kandra

No, your class needs better balance and improvement.

Inhumanus

Lets just compare a legendary geared Templar to an Inquisitor in heroic content.

Stoneskin can be buffed to 14%. Thats against lvl 80 mobs im sure, but lets say at lvl 84 opponent its 10%, still a nice buff. Inquisitor does not have this.

We are equal in Shield Ally effectiveness until a Templar get their mythical. With Guard of Drelikus, parry adorns, ripoiste neck and wrists; the amount avoided is above 14% to a lvl 80 (no food or drink).

We are equal in reactives.

We are unequal in proc heals. A single rarely used proc heal (Glory of Battle) has been reported to enable a Templar to heal MC without casting a heal!! (Temp from FoHF)

We are unequal in reducing/eliminating the mobs ability to deal damage - Stuns/daze powns interrupts in the face.

Repent vs Inquisition. It has been stated in this thread that it greatly helps with damage spikes. Inquisition can be resisted and will continue to tick, taking 20 seconds to heal up the same amount at 6 times the power to heal as Repent. It sounds mildly even, until we both know that the tank needed the 7000+ ward/heal 20 seconds ago and a Templars proc heal can heal half of that 7000 in 20 seconds for free.

Sanctuary - enough said.

I was on when Huxley first broadcasted on the Inq WW channel. I honestly wanted to shake him and say "dont commit suicide man!!"

Are Templars overpowered - my god yes. If you would like, i would gladly let you log on my Inquisitor and bang your head against the keyboard.

P.S. - I have solo healed every instance except RE2. Im sure if I did it with a solid, competent group, I could do that one too; alas, I am a part time player w/ a great deal of pick up groups.

P.P.S. - A new alt 80 Templar in our guild just solo healed Chelsith using only 2 spells - Repent and the single target reactive. Try using just 2 spells on an Inq.

Inhumanus Nex
80 Inquisitor

Shandreya

As much as you guys might not like it, and enjoy patting yourselves on the back here and reassuring yourselves among one another that naaahh, we aren't overpowered! (other classes do this as well, like Guardians, and I think we all know how "balanced" they are), the fact of the matter is that at the present time, the Templar is the most powerful overall healing class bar none.

If the very reasons that you have stated here aren't enough to make you understand why this is the case then you are brushing things off way too easily.

Templars enjoy access to all priest gear, this cannot be overlooked and anyone coming here and saying "but I want to wear plate!! I won't wear awesome items if they aren't plate, just BECAUSE!" really has absolutely no business discussing game mechanics in any thread because they are clueless beyond hope of redemption.

You also grant, by far, the most reliable survivability to your group. Steadfast is super OP (on certain fights.. but then again, these are the fights that matter, so..), Shield Ally is super OP (15% dmg reduction?), plus you get a stoneskin that reduces damage by about as much, you grant 3k HP for the whole group (useful in any group, means on high AE mobs that your mages don't redline when the AE hits, like they would with a druid).. Repent, which accounts for 20-25% of your non-item healing, gee that wasn't a big boost to an already powerful class was it?

Arcane damage is one of the most used effects in RoK and you have both the arcane group cure, and a very powerful arcane group ward.

You have the "lotto" heals, which obviously aren't going to do jack to save your main tank from dying, but in other groups are useful in keeping the group's HP topped up between AEs.

Your heals are also big and slow, especially your group reactives/wards, this is a boon because proc chances are tied to the casting time of a spell, and you can get up to 80%+ casting speed anyways - it means that with the right items, a single group heal or reactive can heal your group for 10k+.

You can stick a Templar in any group, replacing any healer, and still have a good group. In many cases, especially if you're replacing druids, you end up with a better group than you started off with, I can't really think of any situation where a druid makes a group better off than a Templar? Assuming both are endgame-geared.

You can make a raid, stick 4 templars in it, and have a good raid. I think that says enough by itself. You wouldn't dream of sticking 4 defilers in a raid, or 4 furies, but really there's np putting 4 temps in there.

I think any Templar who doesn't acknowledge the overpoweredness of his/her own class needs to roll a different healer, or play one of their guildmates, and realize how much more hard mode everything else is :P

My wife plays a Templar, so it's not like I'm here going OMG nerf them (like Razieh said it would unbalance other things), but take off the blinders and realize how good you have it atm. If I asked her whether her class was super OP, I'm pretty sure she'd agree!

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Kandra

How is it different that you don't consider it stupid to tell me what I should wear but but it's obviously stupid of me to say then play a freaking templar if we are so super better then anything else. You do your choices I do mine. And besides three or maybe 4 items I can think of the top of my head no templar is considering using any other gear then plate.

And if you talk itemization then we all know it's about two items: the chain hat from SoH and the gloves from there. Nothing else is obviously a problem..

Phrozen

Kandra, after looking you up on EQ2Players and reading your babble on here, it is quite clear you are in the mind-set that I was once in.

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Snark

Umm.. ?

best items for slots..

mayong hat/soh hat (leather/chain)
bp (cloth - sof)
shoulders (ward ones -plate)
forearms (set/plate)
gloves (soh/plate)
legs (avatar chain, xygoz chain)
boots (set/plate)

your gears mit is meaningless, thus having option to all healer gear(with druids having the least available)is a massive advantage.

everything Shandreya said was correct

also to the defensive templars who are saying "we aren't overpowered, the other priests just aren't as good as they should be" are completely retarded, thatd the same thing.

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Kizee

I have to LOL to all the people saying we are overpowered.

Remember when druids were overpowered then shamans now templars. /shrug

SoE doesn't know how to balance shit so they give each archtype a chance at being overpowered for an expansion. I bet the pendulum swings another way next expansion.

Lumpy

I thought Templars was overpowered since EoF... and templars have ton's of good buffs and spell... even AA's are pretty good
i don't think templars should be outparsing shamans on ZW's period

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