So, are we really so overpowered? - Page 5

Laniala · 07-07-2008, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Inhumanus

Lets just compare a legendary geared Templar to an Inquisitor in heroic content.

Stoneskin [...] Inquisitor does not have this.

We are equal in Shield Ally effectiveness until a Templar get their mythical. [...]

We are equal in reactives.

We are unequal in proc heals. [...]

We are unequal in reducing/eliminating the mobs ability to deal damage - Stuns/daze powns interrupts in the face.

Repent vs Inquisition. It has been stated in this thread that it greatly helps with damage spikes. Inquisition can be resisted and will continue to tick, taking 20 seconds to heal up the same amount at 6 times the power to heal as Repent. It sounds mildly even, until we both know that the tank needed the 7000+ ward/heal 20 seconds ago and a Templars proc heal can heal half of that 7000 in 20 seconds for free.

Sanctuary - enough said.

I was on when Huxley first broadcasted on the Inq WW channel. I honestly wanted to shake him and say "dont commit suicide man!!"

You "forgot" to compare Sanctuary with the Inq version "Fervent Focus" and "Fervent Faith". Just a glitch I am sure.

You also "forgot" to compare the dps aspect of comparing Inquisitor to Templar, but I guess you just wanted to moan about the heals.

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Originally Posted by Inhumanus

Are Templars overpowered - my god yes. If you would like, i would gladly let you log on my Inquisitor and bang your head against the keyboard.

Sounds like what you really want is to betray

Elessa · 07-07-2008, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Inhumanus

We are unequal in reducing/eliminating the mobs ability to deal damage - Stuns/daze powns interrupts in the face.

Although I agree templars are overpowered right now... having played as inquis and then templar, it felt like deny (str/int debuff) was more effective at this than using stun/daze when they're up.

Kizee · 07-07-2008, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Inhumanus

We are equal in Shield Ally effectiveness until a Templar get their mythical. With Guard of Drelikus, parry adorns, ripoiste neck and wrists; the amount avoided is above 14% to a lvl 80 (no food or drink).

Inhumanus Nex
80 Inquisitor

Eh? What does having the mythical have to do with shield ally effectiveness? The defense bonus does nothing for shield ally.

Inhumanus · 07-07-2008, 05:31 PM

To Laniana - I did not forget to compare Sanctuary to Fervant Focus; an almost complete immunity to control effects that can be maintained virtually 100% of the time for the group vs. a personal control removal of (x)levels that provides no immunity does not even compare - hence enough said.

DPS?? I can do almost as much DPS using my spells as combat arts and I cant enhance my spells through AA. By the way, we are the only healing class that does not double damage to any mob.

Just like any person that has invested many years in his character - betraying is an option, I would rather see the classes balanced.

and your comparison of wards to Repent does not mention (like in game) that repent also heals for the same amount is wards making its total value 5828 Ad3.

Elessa - I am sure in a raid context it may be true, since some of those tools do not effect epics, but in heroic content having a mob do no damage for 30% of the time of an encounter beats a 10% reduction to melee/CA damage.

Kizee - doesnt it add uncontested parry?? could be wrong, but I thought it does.

Inhumanus Nex

Kizee · 07-07-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Inhumanus

To Laniana - I did not forget to compare Sanctuary to Fervant Focus; an almost complete immunity to control effects that can be maintained virtually 100% of the time for the group vs. a personal control removal of (x)levels that provides no immunity does not even compare - hence enough said.

DPS?? I can do almost as much DPS using my spells as combat arts and I cant enhance my spells through AA. By the way, we are the only healing class that does not double damage to any mob.

Just like any person that has invested many years in his character - betraying is an option, I would rather see the classes balanced.

and your comparison of wards to Repent does not mention (like in game) that repent also heals for the same amount is wards making its total value 5828 Ad3.

Elessa - I am sure in a raid context it may be true, since some of those tools do not effect epics, but in heroic content having a mob do no damage for 30% of the time of an encounter beats a 10% reduction to melee/CA damage.

Kizee - doesnt it add uncontested parry?? could be wrong, but I thought it does.

Inhumanus Nex

Sanctuary has a 3 minute recast.....how can it be maintained 100% of the time? Why is this spell overpowered now....we have had it for 3 expansions.

No the mythical doesn't have uncontested parry...that is why templars were annoyed since it did nothing for us.

mafoe · 07-08-2008, 02:53 AM

Lol, STR/INT debuff as useful as daze/stun? I'd not bother casting that debuff, unless I had nothing else.

Phrozen · 07-08-2008, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizee

Why is this spell overpowered now....we have had it for 3 expansions.

It was OP'd last expansion too, was so OP'd to the point where I would have it JC'd and RoA'd so I could use as much as possible.on mobs with control effects.

And, because alot of mobs have control effects this Expansion, and Sanctuary make the whole group immune from effects for 30-40seconds depending on if you take the Cures line or not, it is still OP'd.

The Inquisitor Fervent Faith can purge the Inquisitor only of Daze, Stun, Stifle, Mezz, and Fear once every 1m15s - 1m30s depending on if the Inquisitor has it enhanced.

So, tell me Sanctuary isn't OP'd compared to Fervent Faith.

mafoe · 07-08-2008, 08:09 AM

What's the point of comparing a single templar ability to the most similar inquisitor ability? Is there a rule that similar abilities have to be equally powerful somewhere?

Phrozen · 07-08-2008, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mafoe

What's the point of comparing a single templar ability to the most similar inquisitor ability? Is there a rule that similar abilities have to be equally powerful somewhere?

No, of course there isn't, I am using the most similar Inquisitor spell to show how powerful Sanctuary is, because obviously dumb-fuck retards like yourself still don't understand how powerful it is, and will continue to be totally oblivious to how powerful it is.

Phrozen · 07-08-2008, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Elessa

Although I agree templars are overpowered right now... having played as inquis and then templar, it felt like deny (str/int debuff) was more effective at this than using stun/daze when they're up.

What? I'll have some of what you're smoking. Seriously, A solo or grouping Templar could have these enhanced in AA's and make Solo and Group content even gimper than it is to the point that Drect heals and Reactives aren't even needed 95%+ of the time as the mob is standing there getting a beat down.