Rune Etched Helm (Hateshield) Does it stack? - Page 2

Jenarie · 12-22-2008, 02:50 PM

Odd place for me to ask but since it was brought up... could someone please explain "regenerating" ward?

I understand the basic idea but not really how it works. Is it tick based or... ?

Holeinabox · 12-22-2008, 03:41 PM

Let's say that when the hat procs, it places a ward on you for 2700. You take a hit from a damage shield for 500 bringing the amount of the ward left to 2200. If you watch the ward and you don't take anymore damage for a bit and there is still time left on the prof it will be back at the full 2700.

Odii · 12-22-2008, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinski

Uhm, you could go with the potential better, or you could go with what is actually better. The thing that is actually better is, the Rune Etched Helm. Anybody who has that, and doesn't wear it, is a moron.

Agreed 100%.

Plus being forced to wear a 6 piece blows.

Sepentius · 12-22-2008, 05:10 PM

well the 1.5 proc chance a minute can be used up pre warding on pull which ive seen happen a lot. i smoke clerics that use that dumb hat over a 15+ trigger a minute guaranteed 100% extra +4500 reactive heal on anyone i want. Should compare your heal parses sometime the 8 trigger owns.

the_mo · 12-22-2008, 05:51 PM

its been said before, believe in what you want, the majority knows, that REH is the best helm out there for clerics. i bet you would also throw away the EMGs too if you get gloves which add one more trigger to your "amazing" reactives, right?

as for regenerative ward: the ward regenerates 20% of its proc-value every second. if it doesnt crit and you have no gravitas or w/w running, itll put a 1500 ward on the target, which regenerations 300 points of absorption every second. critted/gravitas'd procs will regenerate the appropriate amount every second

Sanct · 12-22-2008, 05:52 PM

''well the 1.5 proc chance a minute can be used up pre warding on pull''

proc chance a minute IS NOT a way of saying it will only proc X times a minute. It's a fancy way for the dev's to display the chance to proc.

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Items that proc from Spell Triggers:
The proc rate for triggers such as hostile spell or beneficial spell can be calculated by taking the cast time of the spell plus the 0.5 second recovery time then multiplying it by 3.
Example: A 3 second delay spell which reads "Has a chance to cast X." will have a 10.5% chance to proc with each trigger condition. (3 second cast time + 0.5 second recovery time * 3 = 10.5).

And casting haste isn't a factor there is a 7.5% chance to proc off every single target reactive, a 16.5% chance from the group reactive....etc etc
AND assuming the change in ppm isn't a factor. (which the LU notes where they changed the procs doesn't mention the effect of the listed ppm on hte calculation)

Long story short - in some instance runs the REH is over 10% of my parse and is vastly more than an extra 3 triggers on the single target reactive. (let alone the extra equipment options by not having 6 slots equipped)

Jenarie · 12-22-2008, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by the_mo

as for regenerative ward: the ward regenerates 20% of its proc-value every second. if it doesnt crit and you have no gravitas or w/w running, itll put a 1500 ward on the target, which regenerations 300 points of absorption every second. critted/gravitas'd procs will regenerate the appropriate amount every second

Thank you!

Gerrok · 12-22-2008, 07:03 PM

I don't know if noone noticed it so far, or i overread it, or everyone took it as obvious, but similar buffs never show up next to each other in your effective spells window, if one of them is coming from yourself as pinski mentioned before, but for sure they do in the target window. If you check your screenshot, where you have targeted yourself, the two hateshields are next to each other there. Same goes for the two group mitigation buffs and it would be the same if there were any other similar buffs to display on the target.

Slippery · 12-23-2008, 02:28 AM

Even if you where right (which you aren't) and the 3 reactive triggers healed more than hateshield (which they don't) you would still be missing out on the point completely that you can gain far more from gear other then the spectacularly shitty set pieces. Besides the fact that the recast on the single target is super fast and mine isn't even used up half the time, the ability to ward the entire group and heal them all from things like ae's, damage shields, and chokers far dominates any potential reactive gains.

Altir · 12-23-2008, 02:43 AM

Hateshield averages 15-20%, all reactives, single and group maybe do 5-10%. It has gotten a bit better in this expansion but most times reactives don't make the top 5 heals in a tough raid zone. I am happy if it comes 3rd or 4th. I mean it is our main healing type it should heal for a significant amount.