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Old 04-02-2009, 03:06 AM  
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Default Sacrifice/Soul Ward survival strategies

I'm sure Defilers have been struggling with this one for a while but I hadn't randomly heard any answers I liked a lot. Since we're now in the same(or leakier) boat, I'm forced to put some thought into it.

What was required was a quick way to keep myself alive while not depriving me of other spells I'd like to use in a similar situation. One suggestion of using Holy Salvation on half or better of my Sacrifice casts seemed like propping up one emergency spell with another where they essentially stand alone. Normal heals also might not be available and cast rather slowly.

So I thought I had the answer when something in my inventory was staring me in the face. Innoruuk's Child. If you've ever been to SoH, you've probably seen one in your inventory. Unfortunately, EQ2's macro system is too dumb to cast an item after an instant cast, instant recovery spell. Go figure. Even if Sacrifice is not ready, you will still get an "Already Casting..." message instead of casting the doll. I tried putting each cast on two keyboard buttons and casting them quickly and would get "Recovering..." Honestly, it makes me wonder what the definition of instant is.

So of course this forced me to write a UI mod to get all this working for me where it should have been simple. I thought I would share it since it seems to be working alright.

Delayed Item Macro

Essentially once activated, the script waits ~250ms and then uses the item if it exists. It doesn't do anything shady like read your spell casts and auto-use... I've had enough trouble from SoE for that stuff. It's just a slash command you put in your hotkey macro(where you are probably already canceling spell casts).
/show_window Custom.DelayedItem.Activate

You should install it like any other custom namespace UI piece... though since it has no interface and doesn't depend on outside references... you probably don't even need to include it in the eq2ui_custom.xml file. Maybe just put it in your EQ2\UI\sub-folder.

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Since I had the thread named this... I guess I'm also requesting other ideas for people to think about. I won't say I'll agree with them, but I think it would be good to discuss them and let others decide the best course.
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Old 04-02-2009, 03:08 AM  
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Default Re: Sacrifice/Soul Ward survival strategies

Been doing something similar to that for a while, though best advice is do not use it if an AoE is due. Otherwise hope for the best! :D
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Old 04-02-2009, 03:29 AM  
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Default Re: Sacrifice/Soul Ward survival strategies

Maybe if SoE wouldn't design encounters with 3 AEs from the named and each add having some random AE...

I think the point of any emergency spell is to hope for the best. Though with these two spells you have the option of casting with no regard and possibly dying... or hesitating to see if it is safe and the tank may die instead.

Mostly I'm trying to mitigate the amount of thinking one has to do before casting these spells.
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Old 04-02-2009, 04:25 AM  
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Stop using "SoE" and start using the name of the retard. Call them out.
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Old 04-02-2009, 05:16 AM  
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Maybe if SoE wouldn't design encounters with 3 AEs from the named and each add having some random AE...

I think the point of any emergency spell is to hope for the best. Though with these two spells you have the option of casting with no regard and possibly dying... or hesitating to see if it is safe and the tank may die instead.

Mostly I'm trying to mitigate the amount of thinking one has to do before casting these spells.
Well honestly in any situation theres never a ton of thinking, but who do not like to min/max :P? Overall I like control of what I am doing though, so I do not use a lot of macros.
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Old 04-02-2009, 10:50 AM  
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I might try this out, but I am not sure if anyone in our MT group uses that ring anymore other than before a zone proc them for the whole group. But yea should be a nice 4-5k heal pretty quick.

Last night i used sacrifice a few times, and just spammed my group heal and hoped for some juicy procs, lol.
5k group heal + 3k EMG proc + triple throne room cloak proc = happy!

Also when i used it last night it was only bringing me to 15%, i never got down to 5% was kind of odd but i didnt complain.
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Old 04-02-2009, 10:50 AM  
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Swap Orb of Truth in right before the Sacrafice cast. Then maybe the casting of sacrifice will heal you for 190 HP, if not then just heal normally for 5-10 seconds and your GTG. Group heals/reactives will trigger 6 orb of truth procs which is a free 1200-1500 heal.
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Old 04-02-2009, 11:09 AM  
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Swap Orb of Truth in right before the Sacrafice cast. Then maybe the casting of sacrifice will heal you for 190 HP, if not then just heal normally for 5-10 seconds and your GTG. Group heals/reactives will trigger 6 orb of truth procs which is a free 1200-1500 heal.
Nice trick, though this doesnt solve the problem of a soonish aoe or aoe attack killing the cleric. The main problem now is that instead of having an "oh shit" button that I can press as a reflex, it's now a "oh shit the MT is red, let me check my ACT timers if I can press my button". Orb of Truth won't change that.

Anyway... it's been fucked over, time to deal with this shit...
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"Reliable" Gnomish Pacemaker ftw

No way in hell I would rely on it to save me, but it can't hurt to have it up.

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Old 04-02-2009, 12:41 PM  
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"Reliable" Gnomish Pacemaker ftw

No way in hell I would rely on it to save me, but it can't hurt to have it up.
LMAO.

Yeah the only thing they are good for is increasing your repair bill. The ONLY times I had that proc was when it was a wipe.
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