Widem

the way you are proposing i test is the same method that has failed time and time again...why would i contribute to a replication of failure?

Kesselia

It's not a replication of failure as we have gotten bugs fixed that people can attest to both in quests, AA, tradeskillings, Tradeskill quests and probably in other areas. If you haven't read the thread fully people have come forward to say that the dev's do listen. Hell one time I got the attention of QA with a serious tradeskill bug that got resolved and fixed. Next arguement please.

Kwoung

Interesting statement... would you like to supply some fact to back that up with? Since it appears to be 100% bullshit, just because you said it doesn't make it true.

As for testing, why not take your bitch top the source.. bitch at SOE QA for ever letting the code off their internal server with bugs. But I guess it happens, a bug makes it past them, then some make it past the test server players as well... and some make it past the live server players as well... for a VERY long time, so whose fault is it that the game has bugs anyways? I suppose less bugs would get off the internal server is SOE paid for more QA staff, less would make it off test if more folks played there instead of just bitched about it, and more would get caught on live sooner as, well if they weren't so frigging random, situational or just plain old off the wall.

If it helps you any, I will explain SOE's intent of the Test server, and it is apparently not what you think it is. Test is a server to play on as normal, same rules, same cost to play. The only difference is it gets patches/content first most of the time, in the hope that if during their normal course of play, someone encounters it there and it will be reported... which it is most of the time. Whether or not it actually gets fixed, is an entirely different story. Between deadlines for the live push, etc.. many bugs are sent live with full knowledge, with the intent of fixing them later, because they will only affect a small group of players or the issue just isn't that big a deal (of course to folks like you, the sky is falling with every little thing I am sure).

As for the high end raid content, I have yet to see a game developed that didn't send it live bugged to hell and expect the live players to report the issues. Do you really want the players on Test completing all the content first and linking all the great strats, loot, etc to every website before the live players even get to hunt there? I seriously doubt it, because it would make all the world firsts the high end live guilds compete over pointless now wouldn't it?

So seems to me, even if what you expect to happen did, you would turn around and bitch that we got to do it before you anyways.

Mheryl

Aren't we already bitching that a couple guilds get to do it first anyway? of course we are. Doesn't seem fair to anyone involved that they are hand picked to go in and get the strats, then complete it first on live, but that's 1) a different thread if it's true, and 2) not even substantiated by anything but a fuckton of rumors that I'm personally aware of. Some guilds are just better than others at getting shit done.

This post was started cuz of something that happened that was phrased to me in a way that would piss me off and make me do something about it. I'm still a little miffed about that, but regardless, I DID post and I stand by the gist of the thread.

Test needs a worldwide chat to toss ideas around in. Needs to be a place where people can say, Look, this isn't working, you guys go check it out.. and then the people who CAN check it out can go bug it or feedback it or whatever. Now, if that gets done by people on test, way cool. If it gets past or can't be tested by the people on test and goes live cuz it couldn't be tested thoroughly there for whatever reason (mostly lack of player base) then we should be working it on live. But all I was saying is, don't run away from a worldwide channel cuz you percieve someone as making fun of you. We're indignant that you're an expansion behind us, and pissed all to hell that we're not allowed to copy our chars over there to help, but rather made to level over again, and not even have the same gear we worked our asses off to get so that we can test that gear at the same time. Is that your fault? Newp. Is it SoE's fault? you betchyer ass. Can we change it? I hope so, that's why I keep bringing it up, why anyone who has an ear a brain and a mailbox is hearing from me, and why I will keep going til they ban me or I get sick of the non-action and leave on my own.

And some of you could be a little more productive.. do you really think we'll get a test server the way we want it by swearing, making fun, calling the people names who are already there and can't do any more about it than we can ?

Chill the fuck out, all y'all. Lets just get it done.

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Kwoung

Back on point then

Yes, the Test channel was started by myself and a couple other a few days after the server came live and we needed a way to contact each other.. low pop server and all ya know We have tried very hard to keep it our "community" channel over the years, which was what it was setup to be. It has been used by the devs on occassion, as have the channels they setup called QA, TestingOnly, etc... but the Test community channel we made is the one that was the most well frequented.

Unfortunately, over time, many people have come to assume our Test community channel was some SOE implemented official channel to contact the powers that be on Test via... which while occassionally true, was not why we set it up or intended it to be used. The channel was setup for the reasons stated, but unfortunately, seems to be the ask a game bug question or a great place to eavesdroping from offserver to log what the Test elitists say and post flames here about it. (not this thread Mheryl)

So, do we have some attitude about what our community channel has become.. well yeah.. I sure do. It ticks me off to no end to see junk posted elsewhere from our channel and sucks even worst when off server players rag us because we have not managed to progress as far as they think we should have in ordser to Test the stuff they care about (the thousands of bugs caught on Test are obviously meaningless, because some raid more made it through bugged).

We would like to have more players on Test, the Test channel was also designed to promote that as well, by bringing folks into the Test server community. Anyhow, thats all, a history of our channel, what it was intended for and anyone that monitors it lately, knows what it has become... a place much of the Test population now avoids instead of participates in unfortunately, because with half the people in the channel at any given time being off server (and us not knowing their intent), it really isn't our community channel anymore is it? Its kinda sad really.

Kwoung

I forgot to say... using the the level 1-9 channel, while not my idea, I support. It achieves exactly what the Test channel was setup to do. Since all new players on Test are in it by default, there is no custom channel to have to find out about to become part of the community, you can feel welcome from the start.

I do not think the Test channel should or ever will go away, it might as well get used for what it has become, while we use the 1-9 channel for our community chat. I really hopoe it catches on, that way everyone can have what they want.

Aela

I think the issue that is happening is the fact that the test server players want a channel to discuss and chat about happenings of the server and testing in general. Things we are dealing with and working on. Not general game wide testing issues.

Not that general game-wide testing issues shouldn't be looked at. They should. There SHOULD be a game-wide testing discussion channel. But should it be the same thing as the test server community channel? Likely not. The problem is...thats what it has become.

I'm not sure what the answer to this issue is. However i do see both sides of the topic. Just like test has a community chat.. of the community of players..any other server can also have a community chat of their community of players. It would just rapidly become nearly useless because of the shear numbers of people talking. Thats kinda what is happening with /test right now. Most of the "general chatter" from people outside of the testing community has nothing to do with actual testing. It's just chat. It's not test chat building a community (on test), and it's not testing feedback and disussion. It's 'just chat'.

PS.. hey Kesselia.. i was in PMoS wwwaaay back in 1999 on Rathe server. Never thought i would see that guild name again. It was my very first EQ guild. How bazzaar.

Kesselia

Pretty cool. My husband was a member of PMoS on the Rathe and when we both left EQ1 we were given permission by the guild leader from EQ1 to bring the name over to EQ2.