/join Level 1_9 chat for all the news =)

Mheryl · 07-17-2007, 12:22 AM

A few on test have decided that us discussing gamewide issues in their world chat (/join test.test from other servers) is not something they want to listen to.

So they've moved to the Level 1-9 chat, and aren't listening to regular test chat anymore.

I can't say how or when the test channel was formed, but I've always seen it used as a place where developers, coders and quality assurance people can ask for testers of a certain level to come help test something when it's needed. I've logged over there many times after hearing them ask, I know a lot of others do too. I'd always assumed it was a channel that the game reps had made for just such a purpose.

I'm wondering now if the Game reps will be using the 1-9 channel and supporting this change from the "regular testers" or if it's something that the players came up with on their own and it'll be business as usual for the rest of us?

Orodina · 07-17-2007, 09:32 AM

I was wondering why test.test had been so quiet lately.

In a sense this exemplifies the issues I have with the Test community. Those that play exclusively on Test have set themselves apart from the Live servers. How can Test adequately determine if something is working properly if the server is run so much differently than a Live server? Sure, you can tell if something is outright broken, or doesn't work as it used to in some obvious way. But there are other changes that might have an impact via interaction with other systems, like the economy (of which Test proudly has nothing like that exists on Live) or raiding. I know there are raiders on Test, and there is a guild that is ramping up to test newer content, but the fact that zones like Emerald Halls, MMIS and Throne of New Tunaria have not been cleared on Test is indicative that changes to those zones that went live were never adequately tested. Wuoshi has a new AoE attack. Mayong in the Throne room has adds. Were these tested on the Test server? Of course not. No one there can get to the point of testing them.

The excuse that the "regular testers" continually use is that their population is too low to test these things. At the same time they vociferously and strongly object to characters being copied over from Live, or even being moved from Live. If you are going to shoot yourself in the foot, you have no right to complain about the pain.

Pinski · 07-17-2007, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Orodina

Wuoshi has a new AoE attack.

This may be offtopic, but he does? Seems like he has Breath and Fury, which he's had since people got to him back in January.

ZeyGnome · 07-17-2007, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Orodina

I was wondering why test.test had been so quiet lately.

In a sense this exemplifies the issues I have with the Test community. Those that play exclusively on Test have set themselves apart from the Live servers. How can Test adequately determine if something is working properly if the server is run so much differently than a Live server? Sure, you can tell if something is outright broken, or doesn't work as it used to in some obvious way. But there are other changes that might have an impact via interaction with other systems, like the economy (of which Test proudly has nothing like that exists on Live) or raiding. I know there are raiders on Test, and there is a guild that is ramping up to test newer content, but the fact that zones like Emerald Halls, MMIS and Throne of New Tunaria have not been cleared on Test is indicative that changes to those zones that went live were never adequately tested. Wuoshi has a new AoE attack. Mayong in the Throne room has adds. Were these tested on the Test server? Of course not. No one there can get to the point of testing them.

The excuse that the "regular testers" continually use is that their population is too low to test these things. At the same time they vociferously and strongly object to characters being copied over from Live, or even being moved from Live. If you are going to shoot yourself in the foot, you have no right to complain about the pain.

Please don't generalize. I just found out about this this morning, and from what I was told, it was just started last night.

I think this is an awful, stupid, and priggish idea, and I started an argument about it on that channel before disconnecting from it permanently.

Whoever thought this up needs to have the stick removed from their ass.

But don't generalize on the people here, just because some tart with an itch came up with a stupid idea doesn't mean it's law or will even be used.

Test channel is the one that the QA and devs use, not this channel, and if the devs switch to this new channel (which I seriously doubt) then take it up with them for pandering to a stupid idea.

Not everyone thinks like the people who decided to do this, really.

Orodina · 07-17-2007, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinski

This may be offtopic, but he does? Seems like he has Breath and Fury, which he's had since people got to him back in January.

I never noticed the noxious dot before our last run in there. This is not to say that there is a new attack, but rather something changed with the way the existing attacks are landing, or perhaps it is the way that cures are being processed. In any event, it was something that we hadn't seen before.

Brega · 07-17-2007, 11:55 AM

Actually, a lot of the reason in starting this was so we could link the good items we got from raiding to people on Test. This would allow us to show that we are bringing in desirable gear in the hopes of netting some good recruits and at the same time not offend those on live with our meager winnings. While you guys may scoff at the idea of getting a Buckler of the Howler, Swansong Choker, or hell even an Adamantine Doomfang they are pretty nice gear for us. And a way for us to tell those that are here, Hey look this is what you can get if you come over and help out.

That was my real reason in joining it. I'm sure others had different reasons /shrug
That I am aware of no one has suggested dropping the use of /test. This is just kind of an add.

And holy conspiracy theories Mheryl!

Brega - 70 Ranger, Test Server

Grevious · 07-17-2007, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Orodina

I never noticed the noxious dot before our last run in there. This is not to say that there is a new attack, but rather something changed with the way the existing attacks are landing, or perhaps it is the way that cures are being processed. In any event, it was something that we hadn't seen before.

Thats cause your MT group was single curing anyone in the whole raid that got hit by this, not the case anymore.

Zindi · 07-17-2007, 12:06 PM

I registered just so I can at least debunk one speculation: How was /test.test created?

It was created by Kwoung (my husband), Evadne and a few other very early test players within a few days of the opening of the Test server, for the sole purpose of helping the community getting connected. Kwoung and I also run Everquest II Test Server :: Index for our server.

The dev and QA have created many different channels in the past for different purposes. They would usually make a world announcement about those channels for people to join. Maybe, just maybe, you can persuade them to make world announcement on all live servers so you all can listen in - offically.

So I do at least believe that we are free to do whatever with the channel we created. Thank you.

Mheryl · 07-17-2007, 12:28 PM

<And holy conspiracy theories Mheryl>

Just posting what I was told, in a manner that would open conversation to get to the nuggets of truth. Never believe all you hear, but come to the source =) Thanks for clearing up the reason for the advent of the channel, and thanks for letting us know that the regular channel will still be there.

Mheryl · 07-17-2007, 01:13 PM

Just to clear something up, this is what I was told happened. It differs a bit from the story I got from a couple people last night. It's not a complete test server thing, it's the raid guild on test server.

Unholy Trinity is "tired of being made fun of" when they link raid loot to the server. They are raiding in DT and Labs mostly, no EoF content completed to my knowledge. So they asked their guild not to use test chat to link loot, but to do so, or talk about raiding, in the 1-9 chat, where live wouldn't see it. Now, this is what I'm being told this morning, mind you.

I don't think I've witnessed anyone making fun of them for raiding. What I've seen is complaints that testing is at the level that it is, one expansion behind the rest of us. That's not really making fun of YOU, it's being mad that the powers that be aren't fixing it, or coming up with a way to allow more people to be on test with copies, whatever. I can understand it feeling like a dig at you tho, and I'm pretty sure no one meant it as such, at least no one who's there testing as well.

Don't take that crap personally guys, we appreciate that you do what you do with the people you have to do it with, we just want it to be more, and are frustrated we can't make it that way.

Chat sucks for making yourself understood, everyone interprets my chat differently.. live raiders think I'm being too nice to test people and test people rail against me saying anything at all outside test.. so I'll continue to do what i think is right, and that's to try to change things for the better, no matter who I piss off in the process.