Spell order for maximum DPS

Dankshasta · 08-23-2007, 12:07 PM

Hey guys i was parsing some raid fights, and I usually am stuck between 800-1000 dps. For nagafen that must be pretty good, cuz my guild compliments me, but it seems to me I'm leaving alot of DPS untapped.

Before you go in to anything else, my group is Warlock, wizard, necro, ME, SK, and Fury. The Fury gives his DPS buff to the SK, so I'm not really getting any buffs from anyone. I also have never J/Ced myself, just seems like a waste.

Is there an order the facilitates refresh timers, or sets me up alittle better. I'd like to average alittle higher DPS, but maybe I'm about as good as I'm gonna get with these buffs. For raid I am using a 77DR one hander, with 2 delay (yeah I know that sux), and I am sta/wis specced. I also have went with calming, harmonization for the MAX mez, stun, stifle and charm, so other than shrill, i am not willing to put points in the sonics line. I was wondering if alot of you use a set pattern or order when you raid, and I'm sure it would be different for single target, and multiple targets. I use for raid Rallos cloak, Planar Orb, bone clasped, all the common proc shit, and I use acylia rings of str,and agilitly.

Thank-you in anticipation of some good stuff!

Meta · 08-23-2007, 12:30 PM

I thought you were quitting? lol.

I'm not sure tbh. Debuff > DoT > nuke? I just make sure Eli's is cast between the swings (Soulfire + GDoH). And cast everything else when it's up. Just get it between the swings.

Also depends on the encounter. Use melee proccing gear for single targets, swap in spell procs for big groups and use potm/spam.

I expect this is all stating the obvious....

Stryfe002 · 08-23-2007, 12:41 PM

I'm current sitting at about 1200 zonewides. Soulfire + Balanced Magnetic Dagger (sad face).

Specced: Sta: 4 4 4 8, Wis: 4 4 6 8 2, Int: 4 1

In general, always make sure Swinder's is up, and DO Jester's Cap yourself, as your next 2 JC's will be quicker, and you can setup a reliable rotation as such (see my post in the other thread). Macro in your Shocker stick or whatever, so it's always used, don't waste it sitting there unused. Obviously, PoM when your wizard casts Frigid Gift, and I'd assume every troub knows how to continually cast debuffs over and over while PoM is up on multiple mob encounters.

General cast order:
Clara's
Mental debuff
Kian's Catastrophic Anthem (as long as encounter is 1 min+, don't bother if less)
Perfect Shrill
Eli's Thunderous Drumming
Rhythm Blade (if INT AA specced 4-1)
Noble Blade
Dancing Blade
Steal Essence
Alin's Incadescent Concord (is higher priority with 2+ mobs, obviously)
From here it's hitting Perfect, Eli's, Noble, Dancing, Steal whenever they are up, and if they are all down, moving on to Shield Bash/Sandra.

Dankshasta · 08-30-2007, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Stryfe002

I'm current sitting at about 1200 zonewides. Soulfire + Balanced Magnetic Dagger (sad face).

Specced: Sta: 4 4 4 8, Wis: 4 4 6 8 2, Int: 4 1

and DO Jester's Cap yourself,
General cast order:
Clara's
Mental debuff
Kian's Catastrophic Anthem (as long as encounter is 1 min+, don't bother if less)
Perfect Shrill
Eli's Thunderous Drumming
Rhythm Blade (if INT AA specced 4-1)
Noble Blade
Dancing Blade
Steal Essence
Alin's Incadescent Concord (is higher priority with 2+ mobs, obviously)
From here it's hitting Perfect, Eli's, Noble, Dancing, Steal whenever they are up, and if they are all down, moving on to Shield Bash/Sandra.

I hadnt thought of that! Thanks man!

Uyaem · 08-31-2007, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Stryfe002

I'm current sitting at about 1200 zonewides. Soulfire + Balanced Magnetic Dagger (sad face).

Specced: Sta: 4 4 4 8, Wis: 4 4 6 8 2, Int: 4 1

In general, always make sure Swinder's is up, and DO Jester's Cap yourself, as your next 2 JC's will be quicker, and you can setup a reliable rotation as such (see my post in the other thread). Macro in your Shocker stick or whatever, so it's always used, don't waste it sitting there unused. Obviously, PoM when your wizard casts Frigid Gift, and I'd assume every troub knows how to continually cast debuffs over and over while PoM is up on multiple mob encounters.

General cast order:
Clara's
Mental debuff
Kian's Catastrophic Anthem (as long as encounter is 1 min+, don't bother if less)
Perfect Shrill
Eli's Thunderous Drumming
Rhythm Blade (if INT AA specced 4-1)
Noble Blade
Dancing Blade
Steal Essence
Alin's Incadescent Concord (is higher priority with 2+ mobs, obviously)
From here it's hitting Perfect, Eli's, Noble, Dancing, Steal whenever they are up, and if they are all down, moving on to Shield Bash/Sandra.

Where is Lore's?

Dants · 08-31-2007, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Uyaem

Where is Lore's?

You can't be serious?

Lore's sucks balls. The debuff adds about 0.15 DPS to your ZW and it's defensive debuff does not stack with any of the other scouts. Therefore, when you cast Lores in a raid, it is the same as hitting Elude. It should only be used to chain an HO if you are having bad luck getting Swindler's Luck.

I think this is one of those skills that needs a complete overhaul since raid mobs don't really use any power.

Paikis · 08-31-2007, 11:20 AM

Stop suggesting changes to my power drains dammit. I need em to kill healers.

I do agree it's pretty useless for raiding though.

Uyaem · 08-31-2007, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dants

You can't be serious?

Lore's sucks balls. The debuff adds about 0.15 DPS to your ZW and it's defensive debuff does not stack with any of the other scouts. Therefore, when you cast Lores in a raid, it is the same as hitting Elude. It should only be used to chain an HO if you are having bad luck getting Swindler's Luck.

I think this is one of those skills that needs a complete overhaul since raid mobs don't really use any power.

Does more for me, but I have it macroed on top of the HO starter so that might very well be the reason.

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Originally Posted by Paikis

Stop suggesting changes to my power drains dammit. I need em to kill healers.

I do agree it's pretty useless for raiding though.

Can't say it often enough: Fuck PvP.
If you need the effect (and I can see why it's handy against other players) it should be PvP only.
Please correct me if I'm wrong but game mechanics already allow that (cures and recast timers come to mind)?

Reload · 09-01-2007, 01:14 AM

I parse between 800-1800 a fight based on number of mobs, length of the encounter etc. Have parsed over 2k on encounters with 4+ mobs many times

Here is a link to my toon so you can see the gear. Decent. : EverQuest II Players

When it comes to nameds MOBs, I dont even worry about DPS. I totally focus on Debuffing (spells, CA's, inventory items and totems) plsu every time JC is up obviously I throw it on someone. So my DPS is very low for these fights especially if they have a nasty AE that can get me killed. I do my group NO good if I am dead.

When it comes to trash with 1 or 2 MOB's this is what I do : JC myself right as tank gets it set then cast PotM and make sure I am right in front of the tank. I put all my attacks (spells and CA's) in one macro and just pound that button for like 3 seconds, wait a second, pound it for 3 more seconds, wait a second etc etc etc. I know that sounds lame but really I didnt do it cause I was lazy, I did it so I could be a lot more streamlined, consolidated, efficient and not miss anything.

As for Multi-Mob encounters I will JC myself when tank gets set and then cast PotM. I then hit ALL of my AE (green) debuffs. Now this is important : While PotM is still up, after you hit an AE debuff/dmg make sure you click it again (turning it off) so by the time you hit all the other ones it is up again. They have like 1 minute timers if ya dont.
You can spam all those green AE's over and over and over for the full time of PotM and do crazy DPS. Well crazy DPS for a Troub

Uyaem · 09-01-2007, 05:39 AM

You might want to switch PotM and JC, since in order to have a shorter recast timer on PotM, JC must be active when it expires (same as with Lifeburn etc.)

As for the debuff spamming on multi-mob encounters: That works for me only if it's a least 3 mobs, and it works only well if I have some sort of magic proc that isn't my own (e.g. Ember Seed), Aria and PotM just don't cut it for me, since I get many resists on the mobs that aren't currently pounded on by the rest of the raid.