Third KoS AA line - Page 3

Slamdar · 12-04-2007, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dants

x2.

After doing all of T1, T2, T3, and some of VP, I still don't see the value of bladedance because it has a 10 minute reuse and can be dispelled by incoming damage. No one in Disso has bladedance.

If they would have took my advice in Beta and made it a 5 min recast and not dispell on damage I think it'd be an awesome AA again. As it stands now, it's simply an outdated AA, in my opinion of course.

Yep. Druid/Swash avoids are more reliable in that they do not break on damage taken, and they have a shorter recast timer!

Vixens77 · 12-05-2007, 07:51 AM

Totally agree with you on that, but when in a pinch *shortage of druid/swashy* I'm called in for the block instead. So far it has not failed. I really do like the AGI/WIS with a bit of STA thrown in. Currently I'm far from short on INT where the others could use the boost more.

Ballads · 12-05-2007, 08:42 AM

I have bladedance as does every bard in my guild. Maybe I'm a weak ,but this is one crutch im not ready to give up as a raid leader. I don't use it all that much but when i do it can be raid changing. In early T7 we would design strats around it. I dont do that anymore. Now its more like an easy-mode button i like to press when i need a boost to dps or things start going wrong. Flaming things go under the world for anyone else when overking ports at times? Rarely do i find i have a swash or druid in every group but I always rock 4 bards. I think even if I gave up blade dance i would get turn strike.

Vixens77 · 12-06-2007, 12:32 PM

Turnstrike has saved my butt a few times in some of the EoF zones. Then again, I am currently not fabled by even KoS standards. Sometimes just being able to stay alive to keep my wits about me and group going helps more than if I am dead and doing nothing.

Besides it's more fun to see the rez going to the wizzy in group than myself.

Bellezza · 12-06-2007, 07:22 PM

Hi

WIS 4-6-4-8-2 for DKTM is fix
STA 4-4-4-8 for Fortissimo too
INT 4-1 for Rhythm Blade to have less misses (especially on orange con)

That was Pre-ROK.

Now we get 20 more to play.

Are there any Endabilities that really rock?

Bladedance would be the only one, if it had a lower recast and wouldnt be dispelled.
Heroic Storytelling at 50% isnt worth it, even if u perma-HO.
Lendshield, Vanishing Act? Naw.

Increasing Attributes/Haste is nice, but no kicker imo.
Avoidance/Casting Technics ......

That led me to AGI 4-4-4-3 and STR 4-1.

With 3 Points in Poison Concoction chance is 9% to trigger; adding Propagation it seems to be up all the time. So more points look like a waste to me. At least I think Turnstrike adds more to the raid/me, because I dont have to joust everytime.

Thats my Bard-Build atm.

Rock on!!

Bellezza

Paikis · 12-06-2007, 09:45 PM

Poison Concoction is very much front-loaded, so a higher proc % will increase the DPS you get from it. If it was basically a DoT then more points wouldn't be worth it, however from memory it's something like 250 on the proc, then 60 every x seconds. Most of the damage comes from the initial hit.

Bellezza · 12-06-2007, 10:44 PM

Poison Concoction´s DoT is like 2/3 of the initial (every 4 secs). Initial is bigger, but the Dot is still a fair amount.

So, yes, having 8 Points will give You more DPS than 3 Points.

But I think having Turnstrike will cover that, because You dont have to joust everytime and can DPS etc.

Bufbot · 01-28-2008, 01:28 PM

with Blade turn being only 30 second recast, you can avoid every AE in RoK (having a brig/swash traumatic swipe helps) and if you are in the mage group... mages stand far enough away to avoid it anyway, i've been looking at this and im now more inclined to spec out of Bladedance... too many wasted points

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bellezza

WIS 4-6-4-8-2 for DKTM is fix
STA 4-4-4-8 for Fortissimo too
INT 4-1 for Rhythm Blade to have less misses (especially on orange con)
....

That led me to AGI 4-4-4-3 and STR 4-1.

With 3 Points in Poison Concoction chance is 9% to trigger; adding Propagation it seems to be up all the time. So more points look like a waste to me. At least I think Turnstrike adds more to the raid/me, because I dont have to joust everytime.

Bellezza

I have now respecced to this after thinking about it and taking into account what everyone has said on this thread so far...
Thanks Bellezza (and others) for showing me how much BD actually sucked !!
Much <3's

Bufbot · 01-28-2008, 01:33 PM

Also... i have been talking alot to a troub whos in the top raid guild on my server... and he's says most his DPS (if not all sometimes) comes from Melee and his equip is +%crit (melee mostly) that also helped me ditch Blade dance, again... too many wasted points. Now... to save me starting a new thread... Discuss the KoS tree :P

Strode · 01-28-2008, 03:10 PM

although turn strike is nice i have seen it fail more than it has worked, casting it 2 sec befor the AE, its on my spell effect window, then i still get AE'ed and die. im not sure if its broken or what but its not worth the risk of having it work 50% of the time.( mostly fails in VP).