Meta

BD has a horrible reuse timer. A decent mage group usually contains a fury - which has a far superior AoE avoider (even more superior when combined with harmonisation and jcap). But really, if you're using aoe avoiders in this expansion you're either in the MT group, a rogue, or a retard.

As for not being DPS. Well, when I do 3.5k I certainly feel like I'm dps. Ok I can't match the traditional dps classes, but I don't sit there with my thumb up my arse justifying my raid spot with 11 buffs. I blast the shit out of the mob for all I'm worth, and with PoTM, some half decent weapons, a nice group and some luck with the RNG, a few of us troubs are doing some really nice numbers.

The troub in question is a bit confused though. I can't understand why any troub would spec anything but WIS/STA/AGI/INT(4-1) (or did I just not bother to read the whole thing?)

Meta

Just read the bit about him not using Jcap.. The guy needs some guidance for sure.

Dants

I made a push in Beta for Bladedance to be 5 min reuse timer and not dispell on incoming damage. The dev's ignored it

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Slamdar

At least they got the percision change right!

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Slamdeezy - 70 Restoration Shaman - Smolderthorn

Yes, my shaman's gear sucks

Meta

There's nothing sweeter than a combination of potm, fury of innoruuk, divine recovery and velium gift all at once.

runningwild

Ok someone directed me to these boards so here we go

First and foremost yes that is what i wrote. I explained why i didnt but i did not go into all the details of why i wrote that and for whom in which case i will NOW

First off let me start off by saying that the troub he said try to show me my way imd me once when i first joined saying to debuff. I was debuffing as i know that is a important part of my class. I basically just said something along the lines of i will call you out on that one so basically saying she was lying or just not paying attention either way i do not care i know what i am doing when i am playing. So where skyler got that info it is wrong.
Other than that the only time i was EVER imd about my char was this part in question and it was more in a demanding and very horrendous and offending way. There was no explaining anything to this person it was i was out for myself selfish blah blah blah bull crap like that which i took offense to. Im sure if someone imd you telling you how to play your char when it was clearly obvious they had zero idea about the class (i got this from the convo i had with the person about this subject when in tells) you would be offended also. I was on the verge of leaving the guild that night. I decided to stick it out and see for a bit after that but alas it was never going to work out because of conflicts obviously.

Thirdly about not using jesters LOL. Lie some more plz because most of what has came out of the guild has been lies so why not some more. I used jesters cap whenever it was up when i got profit i wasnt sending tells like i used to. The reason for this i was avididly trying to find the extra code in which you put into the code for the raid clicky.
BTW you can ask aviana about that i was trying to find out how to do it and a few other ppl saw me making the inquiry so let me ask you something if i was trying to find some code for something i dont even use why would i waste my time? OOOO gee could it be because i actually use it???
As for my spells something harley posted just killed me lol. LIES LIES LIES while it is true i do not have all my spells upgraded theres a two part thing to that
a) masters in my old dmg spells/styles of T7. For a 30 point increase in damage i just feel i can hold off for just a bit until i get all those silicate loams

The whole thing was that a couple select ppl in the guild didnt like me and started a lot of BS to try to smear me into either leaving or getting booted i am more than happy to be gone now because personally i think that a bunch of them are complete aholes but each his own


<He/she doesn't seem to understand this AA ability. It does not transfer agro to the Troub.....but to the current target of the MOB. It can be a useful ability to keep your Tank/Off tank the #1 target of any MOB and help them solidify agro after a mem wipe once they regain it. I actually use it quite a bit.>

Ya i must of misunderstood that ability thx ill try it out more then.

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On the other hand (and I'm not sure why this was in the follow up and not the original post) not doing basic "class-defining" things would of course be a problem... I guess I get the "feel" that this was an afterthought because the response wasn't what the OP had hoped for. I could be wrong, but as I say, it seems odd.>>

I think you are right because he thought that ppl would not agree with me saying that BD is just a crutch so he tried to air dirty laundry which is far from truth on a lot of points.
He is right on my dps i would avg around 1k sometimes more but always was busy recycling JC and using POTM whenever it is up. I do not have the greatest weapons either which hurts my dps and i am always busy making sure when my debuffs are up they get first priority. While yes i parsed rather low their own troub which was using sign language to communicate to me was parsing just slightly over me WTG VET thats great at playing the class and is better equiped.


But whatever i am not here to start any kind of war but really show some freaking class all its going to do is start crap do you really want that for your guild sky? I mean it was one thing to come here and try to find out what specs are good just to see what ppl think but its another thing to post all that crap then come back and tell complete freaking lies. GROW UP.

runningwild

I would like to add that only one person told me to spec bd and they went about it very very rudely. Had they came to me in more of a friendly matter like a guild mate is supposed to i might have reluctanly switched. Plus i might add that a few days after (maybe like 5 at most 6) i talked to the guild leader and he said spec like i want to spec. The person who sent me a tell was not a guild leader obviously didnt know the class from talking to them and was very rude so why should i drop a dime?

Kulanae

To the OP:

There is still a very good reason to run the group deagro.....it doesn't affect fighters. So everyone else in the group would get the hate deago but the Paladin. This is a good thing.

Mellody

I should have added that we just finished T1 in this expansion and therefore I have no idea (since we do not spoil us about encounters) about raiding T8 so far.

However in T7 BD (even with it's reuse and dispel shit) was very handy and I loved it in MMIS!

Reading this board and raiding T1 (where turnstrike is realy enough to avoid those AE's in most cases) showed me to test another setup - and I will!

And with dps you got me wrong! I certainly feel like dps too (although it's only like 2,3-2,6K on trash) and what I meant was - that if he DOES NOT feel like one, but like UTILITY ONLY - than BD is a very good and nice to have utility aspect. However I did not know about T8 raiding then and that AE avoids seem to be so unnecessary here.

So yeah, thanks for enlighting a retard ;)

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Kulanae

/raise hand

<<< Retard and proud of it I guess

I use Bladedance a lot......Doomcoil comes to mind as an encounter where you really have no option of avoiding his AE. Mind you I have no clue what your guild is like. If yer in the local "uber guild" on your server and all of your resists top 8k more power to you.

My suggestion to troubs reading this thread is to judge whether or not you need Bladedance not based on anything but your own experience and the makeup of your own guild. If you are semi-casual raiders you are probably going to get good mileage out of it. If yer guild is hardcore your mileage will certainly varry. But there is no hard fast rule for this AA line.