Skylher

/sigh of course it doesnt affect fighters, but it sure as hell affects that wizard that is providing hate through amends to the fighter. That is not a good thing LOL


and i did not include a short list of this troub's antics/mistakes (nor his name) in the original post because i wanted honest opinions of his post without having the troubs here prejudge him. I am not out to blacklist this troub nor make him look like the worst troub ever.

this troub was not our #1 troub, and his raid experience was lacking, so he was best utilized by the guild by having BD on raids. his dps was 700-900 less than the other troub, and he just was green in the raid department period.

i am not out for a pissing contest with him, just a serious critique as to what he posted, whether it is good for him (or me) or not.

the raid force is not fully geared up like the elite guilds on guk, nor are they in VP. some are very experienced raiders, but there are a few (like runningwild) who have never really been in a guild that raids the current content and the learning curve is huge.

because of this, and his unwillingness to do anything the guild leader and officers had asked of him he was booted from the guild.

There are so many incidents of his rude behavior,disrespect of guildmates and just plain being an asshat i could have listed, but regardless of this being called eq2 flames, i generally wanted to stick to the playstyle of a troub.

I have learned a few things from this thread as well, and i can only hope that he has also.

as for bladedance, there are several fights i can think of where at least for now its something our guild prefers the bards/swashies to have. When we get to where we blow through the content then it probably wont be an issue (like in MMIS eventually we didnt need to us aoeblock on those mobs to get them burned down that last 10%)

that is where the AA spec mirror comes in though, and the learning of new encounters. He calls it a crutch because he is against having it. I call it a necessary tool for an up and coming raid guild to learn the encounters (when necessary, you don't need it for a lot of fights, but it sure does come in handy for some, whilst progressing through t8)

Kookynotes

Playstyles can change over time and prolly should if you want to love your class. I love my troub and I would have to agree on how people reflect "advice" onto someone has a big effect if someone will listen or not. Parses don't lie but they are also not the end all be all for how ya play. A troubs real dps is what they give to the group as a whole. Aria, POTM, and Jcap being the biggies...if you sway away from using those to up your own dps then your prolly not one of the better bards to have on raids.

Try as many AA line configs and watch the parse, thats the best advise I can give, but watch your raid grps parse as well when doing it... If your mage/scout grp's dps goes down for your extra 400 is it really worth it?

I havent used BD since mid T7 but kept Turnstrike until just recently, I found that having TS in mid T8 just wasn't worth it since it wasn't landing as much as it used to. I may respec it back if it comes in handy but doubtful.

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runningwild

First and foremost no one EVER contacted me but two times. Once your main troub did about debuffing which i was the second time was someone else (not a officer btw but i wont go mentioning any names because im sure you know who it is) contacted me VERY VERY rudely about BD. Then i did talk to the guild leader and like i said he told me to spec how i wanted to because i asked him about that but the convo was on a whole different matter althogether that i just brought up about that. THAT IS THE ONLY TELLS I GOT REGARDING MY CLASS. I am not sure you are getting misinformed or are just trying to be spitefull but i swear on everything i love those were the only two regarding my class itself. The only other times i talked with guildys was to spat with them about this or that but not about my char.
My guess without, starting anything, is that the two ppl in question did not like me whatsoever so they tried to push this issue and ultimately got what they wanted thru lies and decipt which is very bad nature. These same ppl are probably the ones that started the other crap (wont mention any of that of course but you might figure that one out of what i am talking about) if they do it once they will do it again.
I have zero reason to lie here about getting tells so honestly think what you want to think about that and ill leave it at that.

Now onto other matters. You main troub parsed what 1300? or lower so you are saying i was 600-700 lower BULLSHIT. While a lot of the time i was lower granted no way was it that much i was usually parsing between 800-1300 which is by no means that good i will admit as im not very well equiped on the weapons department. I also need to get more crit stuff in my gear. Do i know everything about the class, No, i will admit that does the ppl telling me how to spec my bard tree know anything about my class NO.
But ya mirror would have been nice to have i am going to get one soon and BD would be on it but until i get one i wont have BD because like i said BD is only SEMI usefull because of the long timer on it and the groups that i am in. Even in MMIS you did not need to have it even before going up in lvls there were other ways around it but thats another discussion altogether that i wont get into.

I would really like for the lies to stop its rather pathetic on your part whether you are taking others words or not the point still stands and personally if it doesnt stop i will start airing dirty laundry. By no means is this a threat because i will do it i do not really care i have been semi nice about this subject so far but the crap just continues and serious imho if you are getting your info from someone else then you better check them. Ask the ppl i normally grouped with if i was JC'ing them. Even after i wasnt sending tells /groupchat/raidchat notifications they should honestly see a improved reuse time if not thats their own stupidity for not paying attention and just pushing buttons because i was doing it everytime it was up.

So let the lies stop or i will start filling in the blanks. I dont care if it is true then i can understand but lies are a whole different story. I can take constructive suggestions/critisizing what i am doing and the like but filling it with lies or it being brought up to me rudely is a no no as i will more likely retort back or ignore it altogether honestly.

runningwild

And i have somewhat done the other specs and found out that BD just really is not worth the points. Say you use it and you still do not beat the encounter guess what you are stuck spending 22 points on a ability that you cant even use now. Wheras uping dps in the group will still be up I guess its just more of a matter of opinion. As for the advice thing like i said in my previous post either A) he is lying or more than likely B) they were lying to get me the boot. Either way i think its best that im gone for said guild because clearly they have no class no matter who is lying.

Kulanae

Not to derail.....or get into a huge debate on this....but what you are saying is not making logical sense to me. Even if the Wizard is generating less hate......so are the other 5 people in the group. And the Wiz should still be the one generating the most hate of those 5 or Amends shouldn't be on him/her.

So the net effect of having Troub deagro and Paladin Amends on the Wiz should be a boost to Paladin hate gain due to the 30% reduction in the hate gain of the rest of the party.....and getting hate gain from the Wiz.

But you know more about the specific incident than I do so maybe there are extenuating circumstances I am not aware of.

Mellody

Well that's how i see things:

Paladin with amends on Wizzy = + 40% aggro pala

Paladin without, but Troubi with deagro = -40% aggro for everyone except the paladin


Paladin with amends + deagro troubi = +40% hate from wizzy ... - 40% hate from wizzy

ok rest is still generating normal aggro - but you can drop deagro and use some more usefull buff when a pala and a wizzy group with you

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Choons

Wizard > mouse over Flower Icon > r/click > cancel > happy paladin - if that's the desired outcome...

Mellody

lol - damn, never thought about that simple trick :D awesome and absolutly correct

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Kulanae

Yup and then the rest of the group still gets the deagro benefits.