Choons

Hi guys, would love to hear your thoughts of the comparitive merits of these 3 chest items. I am currently using the set BP, and have refrained from bidding on the Woven Shadow Chestplate and our bruiser a scouts are rapidly filling up with the Raiment as well.

Now I'm really bad at maths and tend to suck at comparing items and rely on the wisdom of flames posters - but I'm guessing that using the set BP, even though probably resulting in slightly lower personal dps than I'd get if I used either of the other 2 BPs, actually benefits the raid more overall - the extra 9% proc chance on Aria across a group usually consisting of Illu, Wizzy, summoner and often fury would outweigh the added dps I'd bring using the other BPs.

The +125 spell/ca dmg isn't too shabby either. Plus I believe it's the case that the more Woven Shadows in the raid it will tend to decrease the benefit to each wearer as their procs get overwritten? Is this the case?

Or am I totally mistaken here?

Meta

/cough

The beauty of being in a position of pwning everything that pops is you can get everything. So get everything and do some analysis for everyone lol.

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Choons

I am a reasonably competent troub, I can smash buttons as well as the next one of us.

What I cannot do is maths, I can look at a parse and all I see is randomness. With so many variables I struggle to analyse what is actually the effect of one item over another, which is why I come here, where there are people who really do understand the mechanics, and the parse can show them more than a pretty pie chart!

I failed at school, I struggle to do mutiplication ffs, but I can play my class well enough. My guild now kills avatars, that does not suddenly qualify me in statistical analysis or whatever, sorry. What I am willing to do however is to ask people who know more than me, and think of me what you will - it matters not. I have made a couple of assumptions in my first post, and not having the ability to prove to myself if they are or are not the case, figued it can't hurt to ask. Maybe someone will have a definate answer, maybe we all guess more or less? I have no idea tbh. My parses can vary wildly and for the life of me I cannot say why - I assume it's all due to RNG. But what do I know? Hence my question.

And as you pointed out in another thread vrath, the Robe of Al'Kabor is another possible chest item, but I didn't even mention that as not one has dropped for us, whereas most of our scouts and our bruiser have the Raiment now, so that one is a possibility in the future, whereas the Robe is very unlikely, and even I can tell it would benefit sorcerers WAY more than a troub!

Still, I am happy to ask here, because there are many genuinely clever and helpful folks, and if you don't ask, you don't learn.

Ballads

Ok looking at some parses from a vp day 1 run last night(door-elevator). My illy had the highest number of procs so I'll use him as an example.

Illy- dissonant note 45% - 1012hits, 568crits, average hit 1018

9%= a 5% gain in proc chance so about 50 more hits, 50hits x4ppl = 200 hits x 1000 = 200,000 more damage the set bp would add.

Dirge using woven shadow
Dirge -Mind bite - 1144 hits, 143 crits average hit 677 total damage 774,675 (128 dps)

Now the dirge was only one in raid using the woven shadow bp(swashy has but went back to crit robe.) If the stacking issues get fixed I'd say hand down shadow woven is the winner.

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Meta

This confused me, so I re-read the effect on the Woven Shadow...

I admit I completely misunderstood the effect. I see now it's like Prismatic Chaos. It's still a surprising result. It needs to stack but once it does, the Woven Shadow is gonna be a clear winner.

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Ballads

The bp used to be x10 better, then it was nefed twice.

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Dants

I don't understand the 9% = a 5% gain in proc chance? What do you mean by this?

Here's what I came up with from your example:

1012 hits @ 45% chance = ~2249 total hits
@ 54% chance = ~1214 hits

Which would be net gain of ~202 procs instead of 50 which you got.

Also, I don't get why you only multiplied by 4 people instead of 5 (since the troubador counts as a person too) and you could even argue 5.5 if you factor in a summoner's pet and weight the troub as a half a caster.

Which would lead to:

202 x 5.5 x 1000 = 1,111,000

Keep in mind that the dirge probably had 2 luck buffs which helped him proc the BP more than a troubador would.

I think the troub BP is the clear winner.

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Pinski

54% vs. 45% = a 20% gain.

Not 5%. Oh, and Mind Bite isn't affected by proc mods Dant :P

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Fangs of Byzola is though (the debuff on the mob that procs Mindbite).

Ballads

That was illy and pet my bad. Which combined to be #1 on procs for dissonant. I will shut up now and not fail at math at 7am stoned anymore. It should be 20% gain not 5 lol. Generalizing like i was is the total wrong way to go about it anyway. Here is the complete data i have.
Dissonant Note 45%
caster(s) hits damage Average Damage

Illy+pet - 1012 1030669 1018
Troub - 417 358271 859
Wizard - 779 976344 1253
conj+pet - 916 964482 1052 (clicky duty during nexona/druushk)
(no Fury)

Dirge (blessings,luck) Took off for Nexona.
Mindbite 1144 774675 677

GOGO Math People!!

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